Author Topic: IDF says "building collapsed 8 hours after the attack" (Read 3750 times)

PonyDriver · « **Reply #30 on:** July 31, 2006, 02:49:24 PM »

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Why can't you accept that Israel arrests people with no reason and then imprisons them for no reason?

Hawco, you are misinterpreting my argument. What I'm saying is: I do not believe that the Israeli's are randomly, arbitrarily and without cause, arresting people. I am also saying that I'm open minded enough to acknowledge your point if you can show me some good evidence to support your claim. If this is your opinion, fine I acknowledge your right to disagree w/ me but I will not accede your claim as fact. If this is "being in denial" well... you got me there.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #31 on:** July 31, 2006, 02:53:47 PM »

wow talk about a hijack,

What does the Isralies arresting people in palestine have to do with the conflict in lebbanon? Absolutly nothing.

I've been looking most of the day and I have yet to find anything to prove or disprove the IDF claims that the building collapsed during or after the attack on it.

The point is simple though, if the building collapsed AFTER it would appear they are not specifically targeting civilians (unlike the Hazbollah) like previously accused. BUT, reguardless if these civilians died as a result of the attack or the later structural failure hezbollah continues to wage their campaign of terror amongst them and this fact is indisputable.

Again there is a propoganda war being faught as well that the IDF is losing but starting to fight back in (why the hell do you think terrorists fight amongsts civilians?)

Elfie · « **Reply #32 on:** July 31, 2006, 02:53:49 PM »

Thanks for that update Bozon.

icemaw · « **Reply #33 on:** July 31, 2006, 02:55:46 PM »

[SIZE=12]BIG BOOM FALLOUT WASTELAND[/SIZE]
problem solved its the only solution this war will never stop there will never be peace in that whole region ever.

bozon · « **Reply #34 on:** July 31, 2006, 02:56:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Hawco
Same as Sabrah and Shatilla was covered up, till they couldn't hide it anymore.

Horrible incident, but do you even know who killed who there? Do you know why they did it?

The news companies tend to report first and check later or not at all. But after a while it doesn't matter anymore and what's left are the initial reports and half truths. As in the massacre in "Jenin". Stupid reporters were estimating 3,000 dead. Final count was 52 Palestinians and 26 Israeli soldiers. Some massacre and I bet the IDF soldiers died of the flu while strangling babies.

Elfie · « **Reply #35 on:** July 31, 2006, 03:00:34 PM »

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Horrible incident, but do you even know who killed who there? Do you know why they did it?

I dont, maybe you could enlighten us?

Bronk · « **Reply #36 on:** July 31, 2006, 03:03:16 PM »

Cmon hezbollah would never stage a scene.
Or would they...

http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000012.html

They are slime and will try anything to get get global sympathy.

Bronk

Hawco · « **Reply #37 on:** July 31, 2006, 03:04:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
I didnt see anything in that article that says, or even implies that the Israelis are kidnapping anyone. Israel claims that 70% of those held have blood on their hands.

That article does say that some of those held, a relatively small number, are being held without being charged and dont know why they are being held. I believe those people should be told why they are being held. Otoh, I dont believe Israel is going to hold people without a valid reason simply because it costs taxpayer money to keep those people jailed.

I'd be willing to bet one of those under 18 that is being held is the 12 year old boy that was caught trying to smuggle a bomb across the border into Israel.

Sure, Israel never kidnapped them just as hezbollah never kipdnapped the two soldiers, You can belive what Israels says all the time, that's your perogative.

Trikky · « **Reply #38 on:** July 31, 2006, 03:05:10 PM »

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Originally posted by PonyDriver
Straffo, it is convenient for you Euro-appeasers to blame both sides for a conflict. This way you can try to make nice with the bad guys, thus hoping they don't bomb you. Please do not think that right thinking people are unaware of this. Tell me, when the rockets start falling in your country, your neighborhood, who will you blame along with the terrorists,your neighbors?

Google IRA and ETA before spewing up your usual line.

Hawco · « **Reply #39 on:** July 31, 2006, 03:06:28 PM »

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Originally posted by bozon
Horrible incident, but do you even know who killed who there? Do you know why they did it?

The news companies tend to report first and check later or not at all. But after a while it doesn't matter anymore and what's left are the initial reports and half truths. As in the massacre in "Jenin". Stupid reporters were estimating 3,000 dead. Final count was 52 Palestinians and 26 Israeli soldiers. Some massacre and I bet the IDF soldiers died of the flu while strangling babies.

Seems straighforward to me Sharon unleashes the millitia in those camps, Sharon denys it, gets covered up and then alls good again,
We can twist things till our hearts content, thats debate for you.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #40 on:** July 31, 2006, 03:09:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Hawco
Seems straighforward to me Sharon unleashes the millitia in those camps, Sharon denys it, gets covered up and then alls good again,
We can twist things till our hearts content, thats debate for you.

AGAIN

what does this have to do with the current conflict?????? Absolutly Nothing.

Elfie · « **Reply #41 on:** July 31, 2006, 03:14:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Hawco
Sure, Israel never kidnapped them just as hezbollah never kipdnapped the two soldiers, You can belive what Israels says all the time, that's your perogative.

Your own link doesnt say Israel kidnapped anyone. You havent provided any proof that Israel is kidnapping people, it's just your opinion.

bozon · « **Reply #42 on:** July 31, 2006, 03:19:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Hawco
Seems straighforward to me

Here lies the problem. People are presented with part of the facts and some not so well established facts and draw from that the "straighforward" conclusion. It's a problem when some of these people are journalists.

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We can twist things till our hearts content, thats debate for you.

No, that's real life journalism and that's the only thing I'll debate. The rest were just the facts as I know them - not from the news.

Elfie · « **Reply #43 on:** July 31, 2006, 03:22:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Cmon hezbollah would never stage a scene.
Or would they...

http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000012.html

They are slime and will try anything to get get global sympathy.

Bronk

Lamers......

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #44 on:** July 31, 2006, 03:22:56 PM »

like the guy says, when isreali children die, its a great victory for hezballah, a call for the lebanese to celebrate. when lebanese children die, its a war atrocity.
I was listening to the radio and a head asked the lebanese representative if the isrealis stopped shooting, would hezballah stopshooting, and the guy acted like the head was some kind of gard dang embicile. 'Why dont you ask the crimininals!!!?' 'WHy are you so one sided??' "WHy ask us that question??!?!'" The head asked him again and the Lebanese went berserk. "we are not the agressors, ask the criminals?!?!?!?"
I assume the hezbollah idea of cease fire is when the isrealis allow them to shell thier civilians without the threat of retaliation.