Motorcycle helmet law?

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by cpxxx
At least he didn't call me a [SIZE=10]LIBERAL[/SIZE]  

That's spelled "LIBRULE", dummy.  You must have missed your neocon political reeducation class.

[john9001]

librules are so funny when they get upset.

"who you calln a librule, you---you---neo-con"

[lazs2]

dago... you could look at this too but... I am not argueing that helmets and seatbelts may save a few lives.

http://www.bikersrights.com/statistics/hlfaq.html

I am saying that just saving someones life or protecting them from themselves or... protecting others from the expense of freedom of choice is not a good enough reason.

ghost...  yes.. we are licenced and we have to obey traffic laws... those things are to protect others from harm by us.   that is ok with me..

Take aviation... you have to have a licence to fly (no seatbelts oddly) because... you could kill many people if you did not know what you were doing in a plane... but.... I flew ultralights... they are restricted more for places they can fly but... you don't even need a licence to fly one.  the theory being that they don't weigh enough to cause much damage to others.

Swimming... we have laws now that are making people wear life jackets to swim in rivers and lakes.  That is insane and wrong and a violation of human rights.   We also have boats licenced and pay to launch them and they must have life jackets on board...

They are about to pass laws that will allow no alcohol at all around waterways.

Sooooo where do you draw the line?

It seems simple enough... so long as you do not endanger others... you should, as a free adult be able to do as you please.

Die from being launced out of the windshield or having your mellon crushed in a bike accident.... die from any number of fatso diseases....  let your body go from lack of exercise... drug or drink yourself to death...drown drunk as a skunk... fall off a cliff or smash yourself flat falling from a plane parachuting... that should be a personal choice.

The hospitals are not clogged with seatbelt or helmet law abusers... they are clogged with indigent drug and alchohol users and fatsos and old people.

The vegetable wards are not full of non helmeted bikers... they are full of people who allmost drown or had other accidents.

Where do you socialists draw the line?   I can make a good case using your logic to stop every kind of risky behavior...  

is that how you girls want to live?

lazs

[Shuckins]

There was a time when I wanted one of these:

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Hail...I still want one of these, but will probably never be able to afford one.  Not unless the kids finally move out or start paying rent or if the wife or I either one inherits big money from a dead but formerly doting rich aunt or uncle or something tragic happens to one of us and we sue somebody's arse off and win big money in a lawsuit...then yeah...maybe.

On the other hand, south Arkansas may have the most dangerous two lane highways in the country.  The roadsides are dotted with crosses where people have been killed in auto accidents.  I've seen half-a-dozen wrecks commuting to work in the last year...two of them fatal.

When it comes to spotting motorcycles, local automotive drivers are blind, deaf, and insane.  No helmet could keep you from going where they're going to send you.

[lukster]

Originally posted by Shuckins
On the other hand, south Arkansas may have the most dangerous two lane highways in the country.  The roadsides are dotted with crosses where people have been killed in auto accidents.  I've seen half-a-dozen wrecks commuting to work in the last year...two of them fatal.

Do they still have all those two way service roads in Arkansas? Man, those things are dangerous. Texas got rid of the vast majority of theirs 30 years ago. Same for most states I've lived in or driven through.

[lazs2]

I rode Harleys for decades... real Harleys, you know.. the kind that women couldn't ride cause ya had to kick start em?  Never wore a helmet.

Now... any cripple can ride motorcyles.   They are not riding near as much as we did tho.   It isn't as fun with a helmet.

My son gave me a BMW r75... kinda neat bike... I would ride it more but putting a helmet on in 100 degree weather is ludicrous...  

I bought a fake one that weighs about 20 oz and is no doubt worthless but... looks like a helmet and doesn't get in the way too much...

Even at that.... it is nothing like the freedom of the old days.

I have a chevy powered Healey that has a fold down windshield... Love to see the envious looks the poor old "bikers" give me when I cruise by em with ray bans on and the wind blowing my hair straight back.

What kind of wussies are we growing in this ****ry these days?

lazs

[bj229r]

I rode Harleys for decades... real Harleys, you know.. the kind that women couldn't ride cause ya had to kick start em? Never wore a helmet.

Like this one?

[lazs2]

yep... sorta.. just take a lot of the junk off and paint it all black and paint some flames on the tank.

How do you feel about helmet laws?

lazs

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by cpxxx
At least he didn't call me a [SIZE=10]LIBERAL[/SIZE]  

Want to try something fun?  Define what "Socialist" is.  Draw out everything they do, their social policies, so on and so forth.

Now, analyze what both republicans and democrats do and believe.



It'll surprise you.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by lazs2
yep... sorta.. just take a lot of the junk off and paint it all black and paint some flames on the tank.

How do you feel about helmet laws?

lazs

I live in the country, (sw VA...a mandatory helmet state) and I don't wear one if I'm going to the country store , or driving around the mountain (cops don't come up here)---if not for the law, I'd likely never wear one. Don't know that I'd feel that way if I lived in LA or DC.....no fun riding a bike in metro areas.  

My overall view of such things is that the government doesn't squealing have to protect me from myself. If they are concerned about total lives saved...start with smokers and fat slobs...come back to me and my bike after you have THOSE 100 million people under control:mad:

[cpxxx]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Want to try something fun?  Define what "Socialist" is.  Draw out everything they do, their social policies, so on and so forth.

Now, analyze what both republicans and democrats do and believe.

It'll surprise you.

Oh no, life's too short.


Who put those Harley pics up? They're old men's motorised bicycles.  

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by bj229r

My overall view of such things is that the government doesn't squealing have to protect me from myself.

Yep, that kind of protection  always ends up costing us with another little crack that makes it easier to chip for the next little gem in the personal freedom department.
You know, I got my bike license when I was 14 years old, which was possible back then. That was 40 years ago. I was riding without a license before that even, which wasn`t a big deal back then.
I have been around Harleys and bikers most of my life. Owned a biker supply business.I have friends in just about every club from the hardcore to the weekend warrior clubs. This thread has got me to doing some thinking.........In all those years I have lost exactly Zero to MC accidents in which they were in fault. Not friggen one. On the other hand I`m still sort of lost on how many have lost their lives due to cage drivers with their heads up the butts T-boning, the old left turn routine, "but..but...officer I din`t see the motorcycle", etc, etc.
I say let`s legislate against stupidity, those who can`t drive, those without common sense, but most of all against those who shout about helmetless riders costing them money when in fact it is their burden to bear.
I also have a list of things I`d like to see in place to be outlawed. Some of them are liberals, socialists, limp wristed panzies who either haven`t got enough sense to try to preserve what little personal freedom is left or are too big of wusses to stand up for it and take the lemming route. Another would be big government chipping away at my freedom to gain more control over those they are supposed to be servants of. (You do remember that......dontcha?)

[Dago]

So many miss my point.  It is:

Your right to not wear a helmet should not override my desire to keep my money.

Your desire to become a vegtable is fine until paying for your stupid decision causes my taxes or insurance premiums to rise paying for your lifetime hospital care.  And that does happen.

So, going back to my offer, if you agree not to be a medical and financial burden, to accept a quick mercy killing in case of a head injury, then fine, crash away.  

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by cpxxx
Who put those Harley pics up? They're old men's motorised bicycles.  

What, you like those fancied up m/c where the driver is putting it to the gas tank?

[bj229r]

Your right to not wear a helmet should not override my desire to keep my money.

And I'll say it one last time---if you're looking at the money angle, get the government to do something about fat slobs and smokers-- 10000 fold more of them