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Offline Bruno

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« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2006, 09:25:25 PM »
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I think the feel is wrong


Speeds are off in what plane? Do you know the top speed of say the F6F-5 in FB or any plane for that matter?

You know speeds are off in some AH planes as well right?

As for mushiness that maybe just a matter of adjusting the scaling. Mine are like AHs at 100% across with no deadband no dampening. I don't notice any mushiness. However, others complain of this and others about about bounce. Eric Brown flew FB and was interviewed stating he thought the sticks were too responsive, but what does Eric Brown know. WBs aka mushybirds and TW are much worse then either AH or FB. Are those guys Ami-haters as well?

However, in the next update there will be a new control input feature.

4.06 readme

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in 4.06 (SoM) changed following

Joystick control input was changed in accordance with pilots' wishes.

Such function adds feel of the real size control column which is way longer than such of Joysick.

Optimized for default settings of Joystick curves. However for some planes would be better any way exponente.


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Doesn't change the fact that you are a carbon copy of storch.


Nah Storch stalked BKs. I care nothing about them. When you make those 'trust ME I am smarter then the rest of ya's' I just tease ya bit. You make dumb statements like Oleg is an Ami-hater and only back it it up with vague:

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I think the feel is wrong


You made the claim about restoring old warbirds gives you some kind of special insight in designing FMs (or knowing them). I figured you would at least bothered to take a look at Oleg's background.

Slash,

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Sounds like he's a step up on some of us.


Nah, you just need to get up off your kness...

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Whats your expertise?


The question is what expertise have I claimed. He claimed Oleg fudges up Ami FMs because he is an Ami-Hater. He hasn't given any speciifcs in how the FMs are  fudged or why / how that makes Oleg an Ami-Hater. Just the 'trust me I am smart'.

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« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2006, 09:52:01 PM »
Oleg Maddox once stated that American flight data is American manufacture's propaganda to sell a/c.

He has also been brainwash by a former Hungarian poster here with regards to the P-51.

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« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2006, 03:32:35 AM »
"Kurt Tank's nephew smuggled back to Russia after the war in a cache of leather studded luftwhiner undies????"

Like you ever flown "Tank" planes in Oleg's games? Ever? Try an FW and you can start talking about mushy controls. If possible e.g. A8 is more of a POS there than it is here. :rofl

On topic I'd say that the engine does not necessarily convert very well into a massively multipalyer network game. Below surface objects, ordnance tracking etc etc. With such graphics the engine barely handles 128 players and more would be impossible without advanced texture and detail reduction techniques. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for its release.

"Sounds like WW2OL prerelease hype all over again. Time to wait and see."

Well said. :)

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« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2006, 04:15:43 AM »
"Eric Brown flew FB and was interviewed stating he thought the sticks were too responsive, but what does Eric Brown know."

I guess he should have adjusted the deadbands :D

But if anyone knows the stuff, that's him.

And what about Oleg? I don't know his background, but at least HiTech flew a P51 :D
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« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2006, 05:22:36 AM »
"I guess he should have adjusted the deadbands"

IIRC he did and the profile he made was circulated within the community to get the idea of the approximate feel of the real control column on a/c movements.

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« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2006, 10:11:11 AM »
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Oleg Maddox once stated that American flight data is American manufacture's propaganda to sell a/c.

He has also been brainwash by a former Hungarian poster here with regards to the P-51.


This is what Oleg said a long time ago prior to introducing the P-51 (AEP):

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From American and UK planes sent by lend lease brand new only from BEll manufacture was the same as advertized or even sometime a bit better.

What you'll say for this one? It is from western historian... not from me.

The printed maximum speed in all books for the NA P-51D Mustang is 437 mph at 25,000 ft. Absolute nonsense. The fastest speed ever actually RECORDED for a P-51 ocurred on 20 October 1944, over Henden RAF base, England. Following RAF complaints that the P-51 would not reach the printed speeds, no fewer than 12 Mustangs from various units--two right off the boat, as well--were tested with USAAF pilots. Both theodolite units and radar were used to measure the speed.

The fastest run--I should mention after innumerable flights occupying the whole day--was 416 mph in a P-51B (s/n 36799 "Carolina Hustler"); this speed was sustained only for 10 seconds before the engine became seriously over-boosted. The longest sustained maximum speed recorded was 405 mph for 55 seconds by a brand new P-51D at 23,000 ft. (s/n 472484). Most of the machines in this evaluation were incapable of exceeding 400 mph under any conditions whatever.

The NII VVS tested their P-51B (L-L, s/n 35145) to a maximum of 392 mph at 25,500ft, and climb to 5000m of 6.5 mins. (yes, on 100 octane gas).


You know of the various discussions on various boards over the validity of what Oleg states above. However, the P-51D-20 in FB can reach 438 mph at 25000ft. The AH P-51D (according to the charts on the AH home page) reaches 437mph.

FB P-51b 445mph @ 25500ft

AH P-51b 448mph  @ 28000ft

 FB folks aren't complaining about the P-51s speed they complain about .50 cals lethality and recoil. They complain about stall and turn etc... They complain about 'wobbles'.

Despite what Oleg said in the quote above his P-51s (speed and climb wise) fit right in with how they are modeled in all the other games. Now folks cry about not having 150pn 8AF Mustangs etc... but I still don't see how that equates to Oleg is an Ami-hater.

If you look at entire Ami plane set many of those aircraft are the most competitive in the game. The P-40s are great. The P-39s as well. I mentioned the P-47D and P-38Late.

You can blame Kurfürst all you want but we fly against a P-51 squad and their opinion is that its the best Ami dog fighter and they can prove it. That's not to say they don't point out a few things they feel are wrong (everyone does that) but they don't come close to reaching 'Ami-Hater' status.

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I guess he should have adjusted the deadbands


He did and his settings were shared with the communtiy, many still use them to this day. Control issues and mushiness vary I guess. Some people are affected and others aren't. Some folks even have trouble with AH in getting their settings adjusted to their liking. If Bodhi had mushiness probelms then I wouldn't be surprised, it seems quite a few have the same issue. As I said the next patch is supposed to include some sort of control input fix. We will see, maybe it will get worse...

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« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2006, 06:30:11 PM »
Here's a link to the article about Eric Brown's testing of FB:

How 'real' are the latest PC sims April 2004 (its PDF)

At the bottom right there's an inset describing Captain Brown's thoguht of the stick / control responses of the aircraft in FB.

His settings make the aircraft far more 'mushy' and 'sluggish' then the default.

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« Reply #52 on: August 12, 2006, 02:06:14 AM »
Ill buy it, Ill buy a new PC to play it, Ill buy every add on for it. Ill try it online if it gets to reall (250) numbers.

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« Reply #53 on: August 12, 2006, 02:14:54 AM »
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At the bottom right there's an inset describing Captain Brown's thoguht of the stick / control responses of the aircraft in FB.

His settings make the aircraft far more 'mushy' and 'sluggish' then the default.



hmm - Maybe AH does have a clue to the "feel" of things. Everytime I've tried flying il2, as compared to AH - the planes in il2 seemed lightweight. Basically you could toss em around with hardly any stick movement. AH planes, to me, seem like they have "weight" as compared to the amount of stick input needed.

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« Reply #54 on: August 12, 2006, 02:41:11 AM »
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the planes in il2 seemed lightweight. Basically you could toss em around with hardly any stick movement. AH planes, to me, seem like they have "weight" as compared to the amount of stick input needed.



That is exactly opposite of what I've always thought and said. I can blow on my sticks and do a Split-S.


AH2 feels so nibble and IL-2 planes feels like the AH-2 BF-110.

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« Reply #55 on: August 12, 2006, 11:22:52 AM »
There's seems to be a lot of variation is how people percieve the feel. OTOH some will say the controls and very loose and complain of nose bounce or say they feel like they are balanced on a pin head. Others say they are mushy or sluggish. Even folks with the same sticks.

Oleg's settings are a little more loose then what shown in the Eric Brown interview.

However, lots of folks seem to have issues with the control reponses and Oleg has announced a change coming in the next patch. 4.06 readme:

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in 4.06 (SoM) changed following

Joystick control input was changed in accordance with pilots' wishes.

Such function adds feel of the real size control column which is way longer than such of Joysick.

Optimized for default settings of Joystick curves. However for some planes would be better any way exponente.


Personally, I am happy with how I have mine stick set up now.

YMMV

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« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2006, 09:33:48 PM »
Cool!  Online WWII Air combat for the Swag once again!!!

I have missed taking to the virtual skies!  :O
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