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Iran to "light up the sky" on August 22?
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2006, 09:35:38 AM »
Jerusalem is an Islamic holy city. Seems unlikely Iran would nuke it. Iran entering the fray in a more substantial manner will likely mean direct US involvement. The only way these camel jockeys can defeat the US is to whittle away at our resolve as they have been doing in Iraq. They will lose a full scale military confrontation in short order.

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Iran to "light up the sky" on August 22?
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2006, 09:47:26 AM »
Hi Furball,

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I get the impression that Iran is desperate to make a martyr of itself.


Ahmadinejad and the ruling council of Mullahs certainly are. Bernard Lewis, picked up on the 8/22 theme in the Wall St. Journal yesterday (I'd link directly to the article, but WSJ is subscription only). Lewis is easily one of the West's leading scholars on the subject of modern Islam.

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"What is the significance of Aug. 22? This year, Aug. 22 corresponds, in the Islamic calendar, to the 27th day of the month of Rajab of the year 1427. This, by tradition, is the night when many Muslims commemorate the night flight of the prophet Muhammad on the winged horse Buraq, first to "the farthest mosque," usually identified with Jerusalem, and then to heaven and back (c.f., Koran XVII.1). This might well be deemed an appropriate date for the apocalyptic ending of Israel and if necessary of the world. It is far from certain that Mr. Ahmadinejad plans any such cataclysmic events precisely for Aug. 22. But it would be wise to bear the possibility in mind.

A passage from the Ayatollah Khomeini, quoted in an 11th-grade Iranian schoolbook, is revealing. "I am decisively announcing to the whole world that if the world-devourers [i.e., the infidel powers] wish to stand against our religion, we will stand against their whole world and will not cease until the annihilation of all them. Either we all become free, or we will go to the greater freedom which is martyrdom. Either we shake one another's hands in joy at the victory of Islam in the world, or all of us will turn to eternal life and martyrdom. In both cases, victory and success are ours." "


The Martyrdom/Final Conflict language is currently being ramped up both in the Hezbollah and Iran. Even "moderates" in the Arabic world are framining the current conflict as modern day battle of Khaybar referring to the Prophet Muhammad's successfull raid on the Khaybar oasis which led to the final defeat and expulsion of the last Jewish presence on the Arabian peninsula.
Hence in Kuwait (one of the most supposedly "moderate" and pro-west Muslim nations) crowds chanted: "Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews, the army of Muhammad will return.” (incidently, one of the Hezbollah missiles supplied by Iran is called the Khaybar-1 - which would have been like the Germans officially naming the V-2 "Brit Killer")

You see for us in the west, this is a nasty political conflict, in the middle east its a continuation of a religio/political conflict that began in 611 AD and which men like Ahmadinejad believe is now entering its final phases. They believe they can also speed up the final outcome.

The conflict is essentially irresolvable, because Israel occupies land that was conquered by Islam from the Byzantines and is thus an Islamic waqf (a permanent part of the Dar-El-Islam). The Hamas charter (and the Hezbollah charter) embodies this Sharia doctrine:

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement." (Hamas Charter, Article 11)


Therefore Muslims must never stop fighting for the removal of Israel until the judgment day, and to die in such a fight is to enter directly into paradise. If you understand that, you'll understand why for Ahmadinejad, mutually assured destruction is actually an assurance of paradise and no threat at all.

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Iran to "light up the sky" on August 22?
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2006, 10:05:12 AM »
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Some of you are mistaking "Iran" for "Iranian hard-line religious leadership".  The mainstream Iranian is persian and really feels no compelling need to martyr themselves for a bunch of lazy arab nutcases who would rather blow themselves up than get a job.



That's sort of similar to saying peolpe are mistaking Cuba for Castro and saying the mainstream Cubans aren't hardline communists with evil and cruel aspirations.

The problem is the mainstream is not in control, and have little if any say in how the country behaves, in both cases.

As such what the leaders of the country say and do is a far better illustration of what the intentions of that nation are, and what can be expected of them.
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2006, 10:07:47 AM »
We'll just have to hope that cooler heads prevail. If not, the response will have to be authoritative in a way that either converts them from their suicidal tendencies or accomodates them.

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2006, 01:26:15 PM »
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"They dont care if they die, or how many of their people die, as long as they are following the Koran."

I think you are making a silly generalization here. But I am afraid the reasonable part of moslems may not have much influence to alter the politics of Iran.

You need to undersand the effect  that owning nuclear power has on national prestige. E.g. as with India and Pakistan.

If a bomb falls in Israel a hasty retaliation from another country may have disastrous effects.

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I was talking about the extremists, sorry, should have clarified that.
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2006, 02:28:28 PM »
IF and I say again, IF the statement to light up the night is in fact a true threat to use WMD on Isreal or another nation friendly to the west, or at least unfriendly to iran. It's time to start to take preparatory measures. I would assume there has been a redeployment of subs to the ME area to put iran in range of both conventional (cruise missiles) and unconventional weapons. They wouldn't be visible and likely not detectable by iranian  forces.

Secondly a "shot across the bow" seems like a likely scenario to get a message to the ruling iranians. I don't know how that could or should be done but I see it as a possiblity to reinforce their vulnerability.

Of course this is all idle speculation on my part as I certainly do not have access to the intel related to iran's capabilities.
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Iran to "light up the sky" on August 22?
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2006, 02:52:14 PM »
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Iran to "light up the sky" on August 22?
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2006, 04:10:32 PM »
Ahmadinejad's on Saturday Night Live this weekend....what a cheekbones!  He should have held out for Leno.

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Iran to "light up the sky" on August 22?
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2006, 04:48:49 PM »
I doubt it.
The prophecie says It has to be a solar eclipse in that month and moon eclipse too.
Interesting part is, that banners appeared within less than 24 hours
after Hizbollah kidnapped the Israeli soldiers. Coincidence?
The messages on the banners are:
“By renouncing sin and by integration for the sake of afterlife we become the best soldiers to our leader and savior the Mehdi”

At least Ahmadinejad has shown strong support beliving in the prophecies
Along with many other Hojjatiehs he advocates the hastening of the arrival of the 12th Imam leading to the battle between good and evil.
Imam will one day return to lead the religious battle between good and evil when the world has become consummately nefarious:

“Our revolution’s main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the 12th Imam, the Mahdi,”

"Today we should define our economic, cultural and political parties based on the policy of Imam Mahdi’s return we should avoid copying West’s politics and systems.”

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Iran to "light up the sky" on August 22?
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2006, 05:09:20 PM »
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Much good it would do for Iran.. after 30  mins of launch they would resemble parking lot.


probably not a launch scenario.  If they have nukes and intended to use them against isreal, they would use well established black market routes to smuggle in the weapons.  probably do some bravado god is comming thing and then light the fuse for wwIII final battle.

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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2006, 06:11:25 PM »
I see the Israeli's now have IRG's bodies in lebanon, wonder if this will crank things up a notch or 5.

WW3 anyone?

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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2006, 06:30:42 PM »
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I see the Israeli's now have IRG's bodies in lebanon, wonder if this will crank things up a notch or 5.

WW3 anyone?


Iranian Republican Guard = IRG?
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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2006, 06:34:08 PM »
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I see the Israeli's now have IRG's bodies in lebanon, wonder if this will crank things up a notch or 5.

What is an IRG?
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WW3 anyone?

IMHO it is inevitable, the final showdown between Islam and the civilized world that is. There's no way to have a billion people acting with a 6th century mentality and avoid it.

If it is inevitable then lets get on with it so our children wont have to, and quit this "low intensity" BS that has no chance of ending it.

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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2006, 06:37:14 PM »
Hmmm...this is an interesting thought.


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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2006, 10:14:02 PM »
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Iranian Republican Guard = IRG?


Iranian Revolutionary Guard.