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Iran to "light up the sky" on August 22?
« on: August 09, 2006, 12:23:34 AM »
I wish that the following scenario were implausible, but given Ahmadinejad's absolute faith that the appearance of the 12th Imam is imminent and a host of recent statements to the effect that Israel is about to wiped off the face of the map, there really isn't a scenario too nutty for him...

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This year, we are told, the Muslim commemorations associated with their calendar date 27 Rajab will occur on August 22. On this a most celebratory date in the Islamic calendar, best-selling author and Islamic scholar Robert Spencer reminds that the Prophet Muhammed made his ascension into heaven from the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, an event known as the Miraj. “[T]he Night Journey has become firmly embedded in the Islamic consciousness,” Spencer notes, “such that Muslims today celebrate it as one of the central events of Muhammad’s life.”  And now, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has selected that as an auspicious date to create a light over the skies of Jerusalem such as the world has never seen since the Miraj.

If as the president of the Reform Party in Syria, Farid Ghadry claims, “Ahmadinejad is planning an illumination of the night sky over Jerusalem to rival the one that greeted the Prophet of Islam on his journey,” then it is difficult to imagine anything other than a full-scale Iranian nuclear attack. As Spencer continues, “a nuclear attack on Jerusalem or even an all-out conventional assault against Israel by Iran would be consistent with Ahmadinejad’s oft-repeated denials of Israel’s right to exist and recent predictions that its demise was at hand.” These observations are the latest from a growing list of ominous portents from Iranian and Syrian leaders too horrific to ignore.
( Source - The Missiles of 27 Rajab  )
 
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Iran to "light up the sky" on August 22?
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2006, 01:22:33 AM »
Much good it would do for Iran.. after 30  mins of launch they would resemble parking lot.

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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2006, 01:30:33 AM »
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Much good it would do for Iran.. after 30  mins of launch they would resemble parking lot.


Absolutely no doubt about that. Syria would likely go also. I have a hard time believing they are really that suicidal.

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2006, 01:43:00 AM »
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Much good it would do for Iran.. after 30  mins of launch they would resemble parking lot.


That wouldnt help the folks in Jerusalem.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2006, 01:44:49 AM »
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Absolutely no doubt about that. Syria would likely go also. I have a hard time believing they are really that suicidal.


After all the suicide bombings you really have a hard time believing Muslims are *really that suicidal*?

They dont care if they die, or how many of their people die, as long as they are following the Koran.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2006, 01:58:42 AM »
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After all the suicide bombings you really have a hard time believing Muslims are *really that suicidal*?

They dont care if they die, or how many of their people die, as long as they are following the Koran.


I'm just hoping that the guys in power over in Iran like their cushy life, and are at least partially trumping up the whole suicide bomber thing to look "good" to their people, and thus preserve their cushy life.

But, hey, with this region, who the heck knows.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2006, 02:06:01 AM »
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I'm just hoping that the guys in power over in Iran like their cushy life, and are at least partially trumping up the whole suicide bomber thing to look "good" to their people, and thus preserve their cushy life.


I'm not counting on that.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2006, 02:17:04 AM »
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Absolutely no doubt about that. Syria would likely go also. I have a hard time believing they are really that suicidal.


I get the impression that Iran is desperate to make a martyr of itself.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2006, 04:05:03 AM »
"They dont care if they die, or how many of their people die, as long as they are following the Koran."

I think you are making a silly generalization here. But I am afraid the reasonable part of moslems may not have much influence to alter the politics of Iran.

You need to undersand the effect  that owning nuclear power has on national prestige. E.g. as with India and Pakistan.

If a bomb falls in Israel a hasty retaliation from another country may have disastrous effects.

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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2006, 04:36:44 AM »
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If a bomb falls in Israel a hasty retaliation from another country may have disastrous effects.


Ok, then what should happen? What would an appropriate reponse be?
Would you fault Israel for retaliating with similar weapons?

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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2006, 04:46:38 AM »
"Would you fault Israel for retaliating with similar weapons?"

Nope, that is what I expect to happen in such case. If there is anybody left to retaliate, that is...

Did you miss the part "from another country" in my initial post?

Like, this:

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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2006, 07:10:43 AM »
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If a bomb falls in Israel a hasty retaliation from another country may have disastrous effects.


Yes, they should take just enough time to research the proper cause of the attack and not one minute longer, but considering Iran has promised and may be finalizing plans its not hard to eliminate most of the causes.

I wonder if you'd be so willing to be patient if another country had promised that 'Finland would be wiped off the face of the earth' and now 'Espoo will be ignited by nuclear fire to herald a new Imam.'

No, I don't think so...

edit: I guess you don't fault them or anyone else that would take action against Iran for such an attack... consider my point withdrawn. I should of read the entire thread first...
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2006, 07:21:59 AM »
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I get the impression that Iran is desperate to make a martyr of itself.


yep and I say we help the leaders of that country accomplish that goal ASAP
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2006, 07:38:12 AM »
Some of you are mistaking "Iran" for "Iranian hard-line religious leadership".  The mainstream Iranian is persian and really feels no compelling need to martyr themselves for a bunch of lazy arab nutcases who would rather blow themselves up than get a job.

The Iranian government is held in check by a religious council that keeps power through a combination of popular religious rightousness and violent reprisals against dissent.  Unlike other countries such as Turkey which is nearly the exact opposite of Iran (Turkey has a moderate government and a pissed off religious populace vs. Iran which has a hardline religous govt and a moderate populace), the Iranian people don't really seem all that interested in rocking the boat.  They've had their wars and seem to prefer pepsi and blue jeans.  We'll win a lot more battles in Iran with a soft hand than with a gloved fist.

That said, it is in our best interest to contain govt backed extremist influences streaming from Iran in the same way we resisted communist advances from the old soviet union.  We don't have much to complain about regarding Iran itself (aside from nuke ambitions), but we do have an interest in their export of weapons and "volunteer martyrs" to surrounding countries.

Carrot and stick applies.  We need to find an appropriate carrot, but it's hard to hide the fact that our stick is growing shorter and weaker with every budget cycle.

I'd personally recommend an Iraqi withdrawl and a silent agreement with Saudi Arabia and the Kurds to help contain the pending civil war and balance the Iranian and Syrian fueled "insurgency", followed by a strong show of force in support of an Israel-Lebanon cease-fire.  But of course we won't see that...
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2006, 09:12:01 AM »
Iran may be planning on where to strike...


The US allready knows where we will strike.
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