Author Topic: Iran to "light up the sky" on August 22? (Read 3287 times)

Charge · « **Reply #45 on:** August 10, 2006, 06:49:46 AM »

"The hezbos sporadically launch rockets at your cities, with no specific goals other than to kill as many civilians as possible. Wouldn't you eventually get fed up with Lebanon's inability/refusal to put a stop to this? Doesn't there come a time for you when you decide that your citizens ought to be allowed to live in peace within your own borders and the only way to accomplish this is to eradicate the rocket firing, civilian-clothes-wearing perpetrators?"

If you put it that way, of course I'd be fed up.

But what IS their motivation to do that?

They are Evil(TM)?
They are moslem maddogs and want to kill everything non-moslem? (TM)
They try to taunt Israel to attack to turn the whole moslem world against Israel and ultimately to destroy Israel together?
They think that Israel do not have right to occupy any part of Lebanon and want them out of Lebanese soil completely and without any excuse of defensive security etc.?
They want to support Palestinians in their aspirations of independence?

-C+

eagl · « **Reply #46 on:** August 10, 2006, 06:56:40 AM »

I wonder if the "light up the sky" was a reference to the foiled airline bombing plot in the UK...

In the meantime...

Charge, your sarcastic motivations are, except for the first one, pretty much the publicly stated objectives of many religious extremist (aka "terrorist") groups. The apologetic philosophy of making excuses for terrorists is a rather extreme liberal point of view. I refer of course to "global liberalism", not US democrat "liberalism"... If you don't know the difference or don't know what global or international liberal philosophy means, then you might want to do a little studying before trying to come up with excuses for the Islamist terrorist behaviors.

Edbert1 · « **Reply #47 on:** August 10, 2006, 07:05:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Charge
But what IS their motivation to do that?

They are Evil(TM)?
They are moslem maddogs and want to kill everything non-moslem? (TM)
They try to taunt Israel to attack to turn the whole moslem world against Israel and ultimately to destroy Israel together?
They think that Israel do not have right to occupy any part of Lebanon and want them out of Lebanese soil completely and without any excuse of defensive security etc.?
They want to support Palestinians in their aspirations of independence?

Assuming you are serious...

Yes
Yes
Yes
Irrelevant/pointless
No (none of the Arab countries really give a flip about "palestinians" or they'd welcome them into their countries)

Charge · « **Reply #48 on:** August 10, 2006, 07:06:49 AM »

So eagl, are you saying that if you are welcome to spew out you opinions on this topic I am not, because I don't know, according to you, what the whole topic is about because I am "extremist liberal"?

-C+

eagl · « **Reply #49 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:02:17 AM »

You don't seem to have an opinion Charge. You do however seem interested in making apologies for terrorists and trying to discredit or minimize the motivations of those involved in the actual fighting, and scoff at the idea that actions have consequences.

That makes you a pretty typical extreme international liberal. You make no real contribution yourself, don't bother to actually educate yourself on the subject you spout off about, yet you deride and decry the words and actions of those who are actually involved. You and your kind love to accuse the victim and make excuses for deadly behaviors of aggressive radicals who seek to spread their faith under a 'convert or die' mode of operation. It is cultural relativism at it's worst.

cpxxx · « **Reply #50 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:14:44 AM »

It's easy to read too much into statements like lighting up the sky on August 22nd. The Arabs and presumably the Persians are much given to flowery overblown rhetorical statements. Anyone remember the Baghdad Bob?
It's highly unlikely that the Iranians would nuke Jerusalem, which after all contains one of Islams holiest shrines and where presumably they would expect the mythical prophet to return.

It's easy to get carried away with current events in Lebanon. Unfortunately this is yet another in a long line of skirmishes in that part of the world. No worse or no better than all the rest. Once the rest of the world get their act together and sort out who controls southern Lebanon. The Israelis will pull out.
The real threat is in the future should Iran get nuclear weapons and the stupidity to use them.

This is not the end of the world.

Edbert1 · « **Reply #51 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:16:45 AM »

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Originally posted by cpxxx
The real threat is in the future should Iran get nuclear weapons and the stupidity to use them.

They already have the latter, and I hope never EVER get the former.

eagl · « **Reply #52 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:24:18 AM »

If Iran develops nukes and puts them on rockets, maybe we'll have a market in the region for all of our old short range rockets. Dig up a dozen or so from Germany and tote them down south a bit... We used to think the Russian commies were whackos too, but we managed to avoid tossing nukes at each other. Maybe MAD will work with Iran. It seems to have worked with India and Pakistan without our help, so it's not really all that strange of an idea.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #53 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:44:09 AM »

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Originally posted by eagl
If Iran develops nukes and puts them on rockets, maybe we'll have a market in the region for all of our old short range rockets. Dig up a dozen or so from Germany and tote them down south a bit... We used to think the Russian commies were whackos too, but we managed to avoid tossing nukes at each other. Maybe MAD will work with Iran. It seems to have worked with India and Pakistan without our help, so it's not really all that strange of an idea.

i sure hope my government won`t take chances on this matter and the pm will have balls like menachem begin did.

Edbert1 · « **Reply #54 on:** August 10, 2006, 08:50:49 AM »

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Originally posted by eagl
Maybe MAD will work with Iran. It seems to have worked with India and Pakistan without our help, so it's not really all that strange of an idea.

I hope you are right. But in India/Pakistan I see some signs of rational behavior from their leadership, MAD seems to define the GOALS Iran's leadership, so how much of a deterrant could it be?

soda72 · « **Reply #55 on:** August 10, 2006, 09:07:40 AM »

Soda's wild prediction for 22 Aug..

No Nuclear bomb but the following...

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22 Aug, 2006
Iran Mines the Strait of Hormuz ...
and Venezuela halts oil shipments to the US

The day we declared an "end of the Oil age" will be the same day there will be peace in the Middle East..

lukster · « **Reply #56 on:** August 10, 2006, 09:29:20 AM »

After studying this a bit more I find myself like Vudak, wondering how much of this is specualtion. It appears that the only "fact" is that Iran did delay their response to the UN until the 22nd of August. The "light up the sky over Jerusalem" statement was not made by Ahmadinejad, at least any where I can find. Also, the anniversary of the original event will occur the night of August 21, not the 22.

I wouldn't put it past Iran to do something like this but the threat does not seem so imminent considering it's mostly specualtion.

Seagoon · « **Reply #57 on:** August 10, 2006, 10:56:28 AM »

Hi Cpxxx,

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Originally posted by cpxxx
It's easy to read too much into statements like lighting up the sky on August 22nd. The Arabs and presumably the Persians are much given to flowery overblown rhetorical statements. Anyone remember the Baghdad Bob?
It's highly unlikely that the Iranians would nuke Jerusalem, which after all contains one of Islams holiest shrines and where presumably they would expect the mythical prophet to return.

Just wanted to address a few religious misconceptions. First the Mahdi, the 12th Imam is prophesied to reappear in Mecca not Jerusalem.

Secondly, it is a common misunderstanding that Jerusalem is a particularly holy city to Muslims. Jerusalem itself is never mentioned in the Koran or the Hadiths. It's only value religiously, to Islam is as the location for the Al-Aqsa or farthest Mosque built by the Umayyads in 715. Supposedly the Dome was built over the rock from which Mohommed made the "Miraj" or night journey to heaven.

However, the city itself is not critical to Islam. No great icons of Islam are buried there, it has no role in future Islamic history (you know what we call "mythical prophecies"), is not a capital from which Muslims historically ruled great areas, and in recent history is more of a thorn in the side in that it is currently governed by infidels and not subject ot Sharia.

Now if Jews destroyed or damaged the Al-Aqsa, the Islamic world would go crazy in a way that would make the cartoon riots seem mild. However, if Muslims damaged the Al-Aqsa in the process of inflicting serious damage on Israel, this would be considered an entirely acceptable loss. The most important priority is that the Islamic waqf of Palestine be recovered from the Infidels prior to Judgment day. That is the priority established by Islamic law, all other considerations of life or property are secondary and any Muslim who dies in the process of accomplishing this goal is blessed as a shahid (holy martyr).

- SEAGOON

Eagler · « **Reply #58 on:** August 10, 2006, 11:42:02 AM »

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Originally posted by soda72
The day we declared an "end of the Oil age" will be the same day there will be peace in the Middle East..

I would not be so sure of that
oil is the reason for our interest in the region but that interest is not the reason the cheekboness want us dead

soda72 · « **Reply #59 on:** August 10, 2006, 11:58:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
I would not be so sure of that
oil is the reason for our interest in the region but that interest is not the reason the cheekboness want us dead

True, but without oil revenues for them to use it becomes much more difficult for those "cheekboness" to wage war.