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« Reply #150 on: August 22, 2006, 01:13:42 PM »
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oh no a rook thought this thru and figured out what to do without cheating....

bish in truble now...lynx you may have to leave rooks now you have figured out how to do what numbers can not:aok

this board has now obviously backfired on us....OUT!


logical to have left port alone but as seen this weekend and 1 yr ago it's easier to lead a horse to water than make it drink.

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« Reply #151 on: August 22, 2006, 02:23:38 PM »
Okay, so think about this.  You and your friend are playing chess, a game of clearly defined rules and etiquette.  Suddenly your friend says, "I have decided that you cannot take my queen.  Should you take my queen, I will simply put it back on the board again wherever I want."

You decide that this is a pretty unreasonable addendum to the rules, so you tell him, "Okay, now all of my pieces can move like a queen."  And you promptly move your pawn all the way across the board, take his king, and call it a day.  He gets mad about this, so mad in fact that one year later he brings up that game again because he feels you unfairly and dishonorably beat him.

Sound familiar?  That's how this entire conversation comes across to me, and all this high and mighty talk of values and honor seems pretty silly in that context.  You're all a bunch of gamey dorks.

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« Reply #152 on: August 22, 2006, 03:18:39 PM »
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LOL :rofl

What are you talking about?  Of course a Bish moved the CV.  The fact is that the "Bish" that moved the CV was a rook that switched sides for the sole purpose of moving the CV.  

Nice try.
This was a lame attempt at logic.


Nope, it was pure logic and factual.

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« Reply #153 on: August 22, 2006, 03:52:55 PM »
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Nope, it was pure logic and factual.



Explain please.

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« Reply #154 on: August 22, 2006, 06:30:02 PM »
:lol

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« Reply #155 on: August 22, 2006, 06:44:04 PM »
I'm thinking this snippet pretty well sums it up:

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a Bish moved the CV.


Everything else in your prior post is either speculation or opinion, so I cropped it out.
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« Reply #156 on: August 22, 2006, 07:35:44 PM »
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I'm thinking this snippet pretty well sums it up:

 

Everything else in your prior post is either speculation or opinion, so I cropped it out.


I'm thinking that you have no idea what happened.  
It's very simple.  Zazen was a rook, he switched to Bish to move the CV. End of story.  So, yes, your statement that "a Bish move the CV" is factually correct.  What you are missing is the fact that the Bish that moved the CV was someone who switched for the sole purpose of moving the CV.

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« Reply #157 on: August 22, 2006, 09:34:11 PM »
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Okay, so think about this.  You and your friend are playing chess, a game of clearly defined rules and etiquette.  Suddenly your friend says, "I have decided that you cannot take my queen.  Should you take my queen, I will simply put it back on the board again wherever I want."

You decide that this is a pretty unreasonable addendum to the rules, so you tell him, "Okay, now all of my pieces can move like a queen."  And you promptly move your pawn all the way across the board, take his king, and call it a day.  He gets mad about this, so mad in fact that one year later he brings up that game again because he feels you unfairly and dishonorably beat him.

Sound familiar?  That's how this entire conversation comes across to me, and all this high and mighty talk of values and honor seems pretty silly in that context.  You're all a bunch of gamey dorks.

-- Todd/Leviathn



How dare you call me gamey!!!!!  Its on buddy!


Just so you know Gonzo, hub knows all to well what happened, he was one of the instigators that talked Zazen into it.  


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« Reply #158 on: August 23, 2006, 12:41:40 AM »
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What you are missing is the fact that the Bish that moved the CV was someone who switched for the sole purpose of moving the CV.


No, I am not missing the fact, because that is not the fact. That is your opinion. It is incorrect. Zazen switched sides for the sole purpose of making the rest of you whine for a year. Moving the CV, which effectively thwarted the exploit, and set the stage for the subsequent capture, was just a bonus.

And, he was a Bish. Not a rook. The minute he clicked that change country button, he was dead to us true rooks.
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« Reply #159 on: August 23, 2006, 01:29:18 AM »
I don't think that I would be able to take any of you with me hunting trolls. EVERYBODY went right past the one that opened this thread.

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« Reply #160 on: August 23, 2006, 04:17:02 AM »
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Explain please.


The initial sentence was :

Wasn't it a Bishop who moved the Bishop CV the last time this exploit was carried out? After I thought about this a bit, I realized that unless the game has been changed, a Rook could not command a Bishop CV.

Now, let check the veracity of each subpart :

-Wasn't it a Bishop who moved the Bishop CV the last time this exploit was carried out?  = true
-After I thought about this a bit, I realized that unless the game has been changed, = not signifiant
-a Rook could not command a Bishop CV.= true

and Boole said : true.true = true
or true + true = true if you prefer this syntax

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« Reply #161 on: August 23, 2006, 05:41:36 AM »
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And, he was a Bish. Not a rook. The minute he clicked that change country button, he was dead to us true rooks.

He wasn't dead he was red.

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« Reply #162 on: August 23, 2006, 08:25:34 AM »
how did this thread get tp four pages????????????????
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« Reply #163 on: August 23, 2006, 08:36:17 AM »
I think the meat of the matter is the map design.  Having dead fleets being able to supply things, long enough until it respawns is silly.

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« Reply #164 on: August 23, 2006, 05:34:09 PM »
Now that I'm home and have read the two new pages I'll respond even though my timing is off.  Some how I get a feeling that not all of you have actually looked at the base in question.  Over and over again I read that the CV from P62 spawns so near its home port that the LVTs are able to spawn right to the port.  This creates an image of a CV spawning a few hundred yards off the docks and LVTs appearing on top of the base thus making it a bug.  This is not the case however.  P62 is on the east side of a small peninsula.  The CV actually spawns, at what seems to be the normal spawn distance, almost behind the port to the northwest of the peninsula.  I suppose the small channel between the peninsula and the mainland is too small for the CV to fit.  Anyway I went offline for a couple minutes and did some checking.  An LVT is able to spawn at the port of any freshly spawned CV.  I did some comparing and found that the LVTs are spawning no closer to P62 than they are any other port when the CV is brand new.  So why are they spawning on land?  Because that peninsula is in the way.  Having the CV spawn behind the port creates the parameters for the LVT to spawn on dry land.  While there's a lot of ports on many maps, I can't think of any other terrain design and spawn point placement that would allow for this to happen.  

And now just for Grits, here's my opinion.  It is not a bug at all of any kind.  Instead it is a combination of factors all purposely designed into the game.  It may of not been intended to happen, but everything is behaving as it should.  If P62 was on the west side of the peninsula then LVTs would spawn like they do at every other port, bobbing in the water in front of the dock.  So, Zazen used a designed element of the game to put an end to the use of another designed element of the game.  

Now I'm trying to get inside HT's head when these basic elements were first designed.  Are CVs meant to fight, yes.  Are LVTs meant to resupply, yes.  Are CVs supposed to be able to land LVTs feet dry as soon as they spawn, I seriously doubt it.  Are players expected to use every advantage to win, I would think so.  Was the change country option intended to be used as we've seen it used here, I would doubt it but preventing it from happening would spark more drive for higher rank so maybe.

And for the hell of it, to all the guys who only come into say we're arguing entirely about something that happened a year ago.  No we are not, but this is complicated so I'll type slowly.  What happened a year ago is not in dispute.  Instead, two separate incidents which happened about one year apart are being compared because they share common components.  

I typed way more than I planned on, beer anyone?
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