Remove drones from bombers

[LYNX]

I must be playing a different version of AH 2 to you guys.  I catch bombers and I shoot bombers down, more than they shoot me down.  I loves killing bombers.  There is a knack to killing bombers and it's NOT coming in level dead 6 shooting from 1,000 yards out.

I also use bombers and anyone level on my 6 is gonna pay the price for being SILLY  

[Delirium]

All I ask is to add drones to all bombers in the game, including C47s.

This may, maybe we can actually make resupplying a field semi-worthwhile, right now its a major waste of time.

[ghi]

Originally posted by Krusty




Bombers are unbalanced. They need to be slowed down, or stripped down.

I don't see us slowing the bombers down anytime soon. So we need to remove the formation option from bombers.

I've been on many HQ raids where the enemy were struggling to keep up. sure after 10-15 minutes they might kill you, but that's 10 minutes of constant chase.

I've been AFTER many HQ raids as well! Unless you're flying a Me163 at 650mph, there's often slim to no chance you can catch up to the enemy in a tail chase.

 

 I agree, the bomber formations used to fly under 200 mph, The 109/FWs used to intercept them before they got to tgt, break when they got in friendly flak zone over tgt, land rearm up again and attack them after their bombing,
 This scenarion is imposible in AH , cuz you'll never catch them, is something wrong with gap betwen bomber fighters speed.Maybe a B17 had a max speed let's say 280mph, but NOT LOADED WITH 6000lbs/10 50cals 6 crewmembers+100% fuel
      Something also about engine damage, everyone is flying in bombers/fighters with 100% power, full trottle without damaging the engine, This is total bs, a B17 would never make it with the eng.screaming at max rpm, from London to Hamburg without busting the engine or burning twice as much fuel

[DadRabit]

hiyas krusty! S!

those were my lancs i think.  can u confirm?

if i remember right, i not even see you until i heard rounds hitting my ships.  i got in guns and saw you around 200 away.  1 buff gone and i blast you full in the face with tail gun.  cant remember what damage i had but i did lose 1 buff.

i S! u

[stephen]

One fighter against 3 bombers in formation historicaly is very dangerouse, for the fighter.....

make the drones so they cannot overspeed spunds fair,, all that other junk about removing the option for all guns firing from one location,or turning fuel burn up, sounds like going to far to me,,..if you wonna do all that just remove the drones, Id rather fly one buff with a good fuel range and at-least SOME hope of beating off NME fighters.

You wonna say that they {buffs} are too fast at alt well thats the point of climbing up that hi, to make interception harder, now the germans used radar and vectord thier fighters from miles away so they could climb that hi, climbing takes time, just ask the buff pilot thats hanging out at 20k how long it took him to climb up there.....

Being just a little melodramatic arent we? ftrs in most cases have over 100mph advantage in speed, and a 2000fpm advantage AT-LEAST gimme a break here, it aint suppose to be easy to fly into 12 guns in real life, and I think its appropriatly hard in aces hi

[soupcan]

bwaaahaaaahaaaaa....

never ceases to amaze me when a fighter jock encounters some

difficulty shooting down/climbing up to buffs at altitude and then

whines about how buffs should be slower/easy to kill ect.

IMO the Ta-152 is undermodelled...doesn't seem to climb or accelerate

as well as it seems it should. however catching up to buffs at altitude can be

very time consuming and yes very frustrating. If you are going to chase high

buffs you should know that its going take awhile.

as to this idea that drones should slow down the formation i disagree.

i find that in order to keep yer drones while turning u already have to sacifice

much speed/turning radius.

there is no rule in the game that says "u must intercept buffs".

if you are not willing to be patient enough to set up a high probability

of succsess attack then dont go after buffs. as far as your TAS showing 350

thats not really all that quick... i'd be willing to bet that your IAS was below 300.

[Killjoy2]

HTC Request

1) Perk the drones.  

2) Require a slower speed to keep drones in place.

3) Do something about dive bombing b17's and Lanc's.


Show us you still care a little about historical simulation over arcade play.  The way buff groups are being used is rediculous.  It's a bad reflection on Aces High.

[Easyscor]

I expected this thread to die days ago, to be ignored as whines by people who haven’t taken the time to learn how to deal with buffs, I should have known it wouldn't.  The last time furballers got up in arms about buffs like this, the changes they cried for were made and the bombers almost disappeared from AH. You want to kill buffs, don’t take a plane with 6 .50s until you get good at it.  It’s silly to think that peppering a bomber with little bullet hole from wing tip to wing tip should take it down. I dread those guys that have learned how to kill buffs, one pass and they take out two bombers almost every time.  For the rest of you, those not willing to learn, it's the old  "Thanks for playing, start over."  The problem isn't with the game, look within.

[Dichotomy]

Krusty and all I had a weird idea I'd like to float.  Do nothing to the bombers but give them a different icon or a B dot... something along those lines.  I don't know how historically accurate it would be to be able to tell fighters from bombers but possibly that would give fighters a chance to climb to alt.   Probably a crud idea but I thought about it this afternoon while 2 stories up climbing a rock wall.  

Now tell me how full of crud I am

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Kitteh
I was gunning in a B17 with someone else flying, and a lone P51 was shooting at us constantly and never even seemed to damage us, though most of his shots hit, and I shot him down too quickly. A little unbalanced for a sole B17 to take out a P51, no? He could have been a newbie, but that doesn't excuse the fact that after shooting us dozens of times it only took out one engine.

Pony is not a good buff killer.  It was designed to escort them, and had a lot of success in strafing targets as well.   Bombers are Big Dumb Ugly Targets in the skies.  They really demand excptional gunnery with .50's...or the proper application of a few exploding CANNON ordanace knocking off important parts.

A pony spraying and praying .50's or smaller at a buff won't do a lot of damage unless he is very lucky.

Sure, lots of those .50's might have hit....fuselage...putting holes in the body, but it sounds like he did not get many hits in that count.  Were he to have a cannon armed plane, you proabaly would have went down in tattered flaming wreckage.

BTW...if someone else was flying, why didn't you shoot the Pony down before he knocked out your motor?  They are big shiny targets from the turrent.....

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Killjoy2
HTC Request

1) Perk the drones.  

2) Require a slower speed to keep drones in place.

3) Do something about dive bombing b17's and Lanc's.


Show us you still care a little about historical simulation over arcade play.  The way buff groups are being used is rediculous.  It's a bad reflection on Aces High.

* I could live with number one IF I'm allowed up to FIVE drones along with my buff.  I'll pay for a nice 3 x 2 box formation like that.  Make each the cost of ...say...a nerfed Ta-152?

* I could live with the slightly slower speed for formations - or elliminate the drone catch up speed which is what we are really looking at here.  Easy enough to adapt to in order to keep formations.

* Hate to see number three being done myself ....its just wrong (like HOing LaLa's).... the second fix ought to help alleviate number three without a seperate fix to some degree.  Just don't know how you eliminate it altogether without mucking up other flight characteristics within the code.  Give us a perked A-26 Invader and you won't see dive bombing Lancs much.......

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And to counter from the buff side of the street.

Limit the total number of Spit 16's and La7's in the air at any one time from any one country.      

[BlueJ1]

Originally posted by Dichotomy
Krusty and all I had a weird idea I'd like to float.  Do nothing to the bombers but give them a different icon or a B dot... something along those lines.  I don't know how historically accurate it would be to be able to tell fighters from bombers but possibly that would give fighters a chance to climb to alt.   Probably a crud idea but I thought about it this afternoon while 2 stories up climbing a rock wall.  

Now tell me how full of crud I am

So basically you all in the fighters are complaining that you dont want to spend the time to fly maybe 10-15 minutes to climb above a bomber formation and attack in a intelligent way. SO you want them to go slower AND fly lower causing more dive bombing and the greater chance of dropping your fighter hangers.

[BlueJ1]

Originally posted by tedrbr
* I could live with number one IF I'm allowed up to FIVE drones along with my buff.  I'll pay for a nice 3 x 2 box formation like that.  Make each the cost of ...say...a nerfed Ta-152?
 

Agreed.

[Kitteh]

Originally posted by tedrbr
Pony is not a good buff killer.  It was designed to escort them, and had a lot of success in strafing targets as well.   Bombers are Big Dumb Ugly Targets in the skies.  They really demand excptional gunnery with .50's...or the proper application of a few exploding CANNON ordanace knocking off important parts.

A pony spraying and praying .50's or smaller at a buff won't do a lot of damage unless he is very lucky.

Sure, lots of those .50's might have hit....fuselage...putting holes in the body, but it sounds like he did not get many hits in that count.  Were he to have a cannon armed plane, you proabaly would have went down in tattered flaming wreckage.

BTW...if someone else was flying, why didn't you shoot the Pony down before he knocked out your motor?  They are big shiny targets from the turrent.....

At first I didn't see him, I didn't get a shot until he had already blew the engine.

[MadSquirrel]

OK, here are a few numbers I got today just to check how fast a B-24 could fly.  I got a formation of B-24s.  Loaded them with eight 1000 pound bombs and 50% fuel.  I took off and climbed to 15K.  Using the E6B on auto level the speed leveled off at 218 IAS showing 275 TAS/GS.  I dropped all my ords and was able to get up to 224 IAS showing 283 TAS/GS.  OK, NOT 350 by any means.  But to be fair, I put the B-24s into a moderate dive and at about 300 IAS the airframe started the usual moaning.  Close to 350 the lift overcame the control input and the B-24s leveled off till it slowed enough for the control input to be effective again.  Next I put the B-24s into a steep dive and the wings ripped off at about 360 IAS.

Krusty if you coudln't catch a flight of B-24s flying at 15K, I don't think that the B-24s are at fault.  It seems that the majority of pilots reporting here don't seem to have a problem with catching and shooting down buffs.  I am wondering if perhaps your aircraft settings were a bit off not allowing you full power.  Just a thought cause if a GV dweeb such as myself have no problem catching a box of buffs and shooting them down, you shouldn't.

I did my test today one time.  I would be interested to hear from a few of the buff pilots that fly them a lot more than I do.  Are my numbers a fair representation of the B-24s performance?

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