Remove drones from bombers

[stephen]

Are you crazy? this is just nutz, so killing 3 buffs is hard, anyone who has been here long knows how mind numbingly simple it used to be to kill buffs when there was only one,

"and thats all i have to say about that"

well not egsactly, see a b24 has a soft spot, even in a form....now I dont like giving away trade secrets but my hand has been forced here...

see if you are a little faster than the nme buff, and you approach him at D1.0 from directly underneath, hes gonna have one gun to shoot with...the ball......now if you let him track you until your just ahead of his ability to point down at you, he has to spin 180 degrees to even get a shot at you since your more ahead of him then behind, SO.., then pull up staying on his front quarter and you get 1 pass free of charge...from the bottom, now thats all i can divulge.. so good luck with getting rid of the best thing to happen to AH since the D9 made it in....

[JAWS2003]

The B-17's/B-24's/B-26's had a good maximum speed, but, For how long could they run on that maximum speed? I'm sure they could not run to Berlin and back with 300 mph.
 The combat box was running at 180 mph with a reason. That was their cruise speed.  At that speed they could do the mission and hope to hit something. I would really like to know how far could a bomber get running on full power.

 Something is fishy with the bombers. A wide used tactic of the Germans was to attack the combat box with rockets to damage planes so they would FALL OUT OF FORMATION.
 Now how much damage do you have to do in AH to a B-24 or B-17 to make it drop speed below 175 mph?

[Overlag]

can you fly your fighter at full throttle all flight?

enough said

[Beefcake]

A few ideas from Buffin Beef:

1. Add our old friend Otto, make it so the pilot can command any gun he wants but he can no longer use the "all fire mode" or add a delay of 2-3 seconds to "all fire mode" to allow for the other gunners to swing around and target.

2. Add a SMALL perk cost to drones of powerful buffs, B17s, B24s, B26s, Lancs. Make it so that drones of hanger queens (Ju88s, Ki67s, Bostons) are free, to help get these birds in the air more.

3. Make it so you can have more planes per formation for a higher perk cost per plane. IE 1 extra plane is 1 perk, 2 planes is 2 perks, 3 planes is 4 perks, 4 planes is 8 perks and so on. I dream of the day I can lead a squadron for 12 B17s by myself.

4. Limit formations to certain bases. IE large bomber formations can only take off from large fields, small formations or single bombers can only lift off from small fields and ect.

5. Krusty is to be tied to a 1k egg and dropped over Bishland for betraying his buffing brothers.

[999000]

Ok everybody calm down! lol.....Please go back and check the data that mussie listed earlier.......data states it takes one fighter to kill a formation of B17's ....Looks Like some good data and facts to INCREASE not decrease bomber abilities.....Just an opion but based on fact.
Good Day!
999000

[Krusty]

....Said the man that focuses solely on using overpowered bombers to kill dozens of fighters per sortie

[Flayed1]

Like Oh My God isn't his thread dead yet??    I may not be as well known as 999000 or tater but I am a Damn good buff pilot I just don't advertise like they do.    For any good fighter pilot that knows what he's doing it aint hard to take out a bomber group. Heck I tookout 2 of 999000s' bombers with a KI61 of all things one day.  

 Oh and like others have stated no bombers shoud not be able to run full all the time but fighters shouldnt either.   so no matter what you do it should even out.


    All done here going to work on my map now ta ta.

[Krusty]

The thing with bombers vs fighters isn't that "oh, fighters run at full throttle too, so it evens out" -- it's that bombers cruised even in the midst of combat. They rarely ever reached 200mph when level. Fighters, on the other hand, often CRUISED at 250+ mph. They also ran at full power (and/or WEP) when attacking. So the speed difference was even greater still.

[Guyver]

i dont mind bobmers. they are fun to fight against and take skill to take out. one thing i have found is that i can blo the crap out of a wing and it wont come off. i shoot teh **** out of a gun position and it is still oporational.  i unloades 1k rounds on a bomber 1 day and all i got it to do was a fuel leak. i mean 1k rounds in the back of a bomber must do more dmg then that. teh back gun was still working for god sake. id say gunner dead for def and gun fuber anfter that many rounds.

apart form that bombers are ok

[999000]

Krusty you ok man I think if they had rows of  bombers lined up on a field  that the fighter guys could swoop down and kill/disable  maybe everyone would be happy .
999000

[Lusche]

Bombers are dead meat on the table for most fighters. The speed differential is their only hope here in AH. The smart buffer tries to be high & fast enough so most enemy fighters either even donīt try to intercept them or are foolish enough to attack from 6 oīclock low because theirīre too impatient. Reduce that speed differential, and they will be even more helpless.

I do have some problems with constant max cruise, but more during certain setups in special events when really huge formations of bombers are bullying their way through fighters with only marginally higher speed.

[bkbandit]

i dont have a prob with everything running on wot all day long. today i has in a 51d and intoed ki67s at around 15k, i was clocking 405mph and it took me awhile to catch them(there fast) i took 2 while another green took the other. Only thing i dont like is the auto gun deal they got, sometype of delay for the guns to move or when u switch guns, or just run all the guns on one bomber, its gay that from one turrent i control all of them, i have guned on them and its freakin meat head easy, and no this isnt when there the retards that sit on the 6, i kill the ones that dive down an take the funny angles.

[JRCrow]

Here is a little historical data you guys might find interesting.

The 390th participated in 301 operational missions, dropping over 19,000 tons of bombs. 179 of its aircraft were lost, with 147 missing in action and 32 due to other causes. The Group's accomplishments show a total of 378 enemy aircraft destroyed, 78 probably destroyed, and 97 damaged. The Group was awarded two Presidential Unit Citations, six Battle Streamers and many commendations. During its combat history the Group's bombing accuracy was reported as the best in the 8th Air Force and its aircraft losses were the lowest per mission flown/bombs dropped.

Granted I am sure not every bomber group had a kill ratio like that. I think they had 999000 and Tatertot with them :-)

All

[JRCrow]

Hey guys thought I should put a quick link to cut and past incase anyone wants to read more on the 390th.

http://www.390th.org/

[gatt]

Sometimes buffs look to be faster than they really are. Its enuff for them to nose down a little and get easily to 350mph losing just a little alt. So, it takes ages to climb and catch them. Some buff drivers are very good at it.

Our Ta152 is useless, IMHO. As far as axis aircraft are concerned, I prefer the 109K or the 205 for buff hunting, respectively at high and medium altitude.

Btw, I really miss our old (yes, yes, even if historically wrong) 109G-10 with gondolas. No smart buff driver could escape from her.