Low lvl buff

[Slash27]

I think we should be able to drop leaflets too.

[stephen]

here are videos relating to bombers, especialy listen to the discription of the B25, you will hear the words "low level" at-least 2 times....

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by stephen
There is a whole war in the Pacific being ignored here, there are multiple accounts of B25's/B26's dropping bombs on runways, industrial complexes in ww2 from low, i.e. TREE TOP LEVEL, I simply cannot understand what is so hard to grasp here, as a matter of fact I have spoken to two people that flew B24's with the ball turret removed in the Pacific theater, AND reported using DELAYD ACTION BOMBS, at LOW LEVEL which is a basic bomb given a timed fuse, I consider low level below the normal operating altitude of a fighter, i.e. tree top level, anymore questions?.,.....

This is not the same thread I DO NOT CONDONE THE USE OF HEAVYS AS DIVE BOMBERS!!!!!!!!! so stop it with this junk!!! add an inteligent reason why this shouldnt be impleminted or shut up!, fighter jocks be danged, there is historical proof of bombs being dropped below 500ft by hvy bombers, but im not asking for that, im asking for MEDIUM BOMBERS to be equipt with HISTORICALY ACCURATE ORD. i.e skip bombs {for killing cv's} parafrags {for killing ftrs taking off and damaging runways} and delayed fuse bombs {so the bomber can escape blast radius} , these reply's of how ez it is to bomb from alt have no affect on me, I am accurate from 10k and above, I would simply like the addition of HISTORICALY ACCURATE FUSING in at-least some of the medium bombers, and at the most para frags so I can make an airfield hard to take off from , LIKE IN REAL LIFE.

omfg  How about this: none of the things you request would do anything at all to improve gameplay or the game itself for anyone but dumb ****s who want to grief without having to work at it. These may be things that happened or were used historically, but they wouldn't add anything, and would likely find new uses that would only lessen any effect of immersion or attempt to make the game "historical".

There are plenty of things missing from this game that existed in the war. Things like planes, air defence, attrition, etc. Specialized bombs for some idiot like you to spray all over the runway so that no one else gets to play the game is the last thing this game needs.

[hubsonfire]

You didn't link anything, Shouty Spice.

[Furball]

keep up the good work stephen.  its hard working dedicated people like you that win resets.

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by stephen
here are videos relating to bombers, especialy listen to the discription of the B25, you will hear the words "low level" at-least 2 times....

Was F3 view mentioned? If not historical, get rid of it.

[stephen]

correct, ill link it now:http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/B-25.html

ok then.

[stephen]

hey hubsonfire you fly a b26 over an nme base and tell me how ez it is then, imersion my friend.....means diffrent types of plane/ord allowing for wildly diffrent tactics... you fighter jocks want it all one way, {shuttle bombs above 10 k} what you end up with is frustrated hvy's dive bombing you for a lack of options...... if a speed limit over craters where implemented what would you lose? at the very least you would have to rudder turn off the runway, somthing which any half decent pilot can allready do... dont give me this "its unfair" junk you know that cratering runways is affective or else you wouldnt hate the idea so much, by virtue of your whining you fighter jocks are giving me ammo......



ALLOW THE B25H!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ill use the s.o.b. and so will any other bomber pilot worth his salt!!!

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by stephen
hey hubsonfire you fly a b26 over an nme base and tell me how ez it is then, imersion my friend.....means diffrent types of plane/ord allowing for wildly diffrent tactics... you fighter jocks want it all one way, {shuttle bombs above 10 k} what you end up with is frustrated hvy's dive bombing you for a lack of options...... if a speed limit over craters where implemented what would you lose? at the very least you would have to rudder turn off the runway, somthing which any half decent pilot can allready do... dont give me this "its unfair" junk you know that cratering runways is affective or else you wouldnt hate the idea so much, by virtue of your whining you fighter jocks are giving me ammo......



ALLOW THE B25H!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ill use the s.o.b. and so will any other bomber pilot worth his salt!!!

Shattup!  Use the more than ample set of planes that our wonderful game creator has given us or cancel ur $15 money order that is running 11 days late to Grapevine!  Maybe learn to tank a little and enjoy what the game has to offer.  Better yet, learn to fly a fighter and attempt to last more than 10 seconds after the merge with that guy SkyRock in the DA!

[Grits]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Shouty Spice.

Oh no you di-ent

[stephen]

If you think I cant rangle a fighter around in the air you are mistaken my friend, I have no problem showing you my ability in either bombing, or fighting, dont change the subject....the fact is that the fighters have had it all thier own way for TO LONG, a low level penetration should be right up your alley:)

[pluck]

Originally posted by Grits
Oh no you di-ent

LOL:rofl

[LYNX]

Stephen I commend you for battling your post but your ideas don't fall into good game play.  IF, and they won't as you originally said were implemented, would only premote dicky heads miss using your historical suggestions.  Can't you see this ?  Tank towns would be swomped with it.

You are not improving game play with 100ft b26's.  EVERY dickyhead with a mouse will be at it.  EVERY other dickyhead would be in the rear guns.

Sorry mate but your suggestion rubs every one including Strat players like me the wrong way.  

There is a good plane set in here and if you wanna pork a field most can be done in 2 passes using ords.  If you wanna cap a field there are plenty of fighters to use.  You wanna take out the FH's bomb calibrated from alt.  If you have a problem with gunning enemy fighters use "Z" and lead the shots.

Sorry once again but your suggestion, although historicaly accurate, are simply "GAMEY".  Learn AH as it is.

[SuperDud]

I think they are excellent ideas stephen.

[simshell]

the 2 main things that need to be addressed i feel are

1 air defenses are to weak.high levels of ant-air made low level attacks have very high combat losses in most cases were large airfields were being attacked by low level bombers

2 in real life planes and pilots were in limited supply  the RAF could not stand to lose dozens of Lancaster's for they took along time to build and suffering the kinds of losses low level attacks over Germany would have done to its fleet of aircraft

while in aces high we are given unlimited amount of lives and planes  so high combat losses mean nothing   which intern means that the Rooks can lose a 1000 Lancaster's today but wont affect anything so they can keep losing a 1000 Lancaster's   a day but if they chose to use high alt bombing they could cutt there combat losses by a 3erd to around 250  but since loss means nothing whats the point in saving aircraft or doing any tactic to survive since there is a unlimited supply of pilots and planes always ready


the only solution involves a Restriction of some-kind which most of aces high players will not tolerate  because they value there freedom to fly whatever style they wish  higher then the cost of suffering issues such as this

i have many idea's to fix these types of issues but since aces high players value there freedom and choice to fly however they like whenever they want and whatever they want    more then moderation and penalty for tactics deemed gamey and out of the realm of history   i see no point in sharing any of my ideas or anyone else for that matter     until the aces high players agree to listen to idea's of limiting playing style's to better serve the game as a hole