Low lvl buff

[JB42]

The problem Stephen is, what you are suggesting was the exception, not the norm in real life. That's why Doolittles raid, Dam Busters and Polesti are so famous. They were rare and extremely risky. If what you propose would be implemented, it would become the norm and not the exception. As for the real life argument about this subject and many others on this board, you forget what a lot of airmen did in real life.....................DIED!!!

We tend to forget the convience of "dying" and then quickly turning around and reupping. Many tactics we take for granted in this game were not so pleasant in real life. They were calculated risks with many casualties. Not a consideration EVER thought through in AHII.

[Stoney74]

Ok,

As far as history goes, he's correct.  USAAC did a lot of low-level bombing with medium bombers on the deck in the Pacific.  Whether or not it gets to the game, well that's a whole different gig.  Personally, I'd like to see some delay fuzed bombs, especially for A-20's--IMHO...

SKIP Bombing is a technique.  There aren't special "skip" bombs.  It refers to making a bomb delivery while the plane is basically parallel to the deck. The trajectory of the bombs is flat--hence the term "skip". They would pitch up at the time of release and loft it into the target.  And, you can do that now, without waiting, in the MA.

I put a 250 kg bomb right into the superstructure of a CV that way once.

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by stephen
hey hubsonfire you fly a b26 over an nme base and tell me how ez it is then,

ALLOW THE B25H!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ill use the s.o.b. and so will any other bomber pilot worth his salt!!!

I have 120 kills in B26s this year. I managed this with a BAC that far exceeds my hit percentage. It is that easy.

You want realism and immersion? Have your mom shoot one of your friends the next time you lose a bomber drone flying at tree top level. The next time the lead bomber gets shot down, you catch the bullet. That's realism. Get some!

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Furball
keep up the good work stephen.  its hard working dedicated people like you that win resets.

[Bruv119]

Stephen I agree with point 1.  

delayed fuses for bombs on fighters/bombers.    Could bomb a VH with a 30 second fuse fly around the field de-acking when someone ups a gv because they cant get a soft gun  BOOM!    


"Seen that in another sim"  

what would that other sim be lynx???  out of curiosity

Bruv
~S~

[LYNX]

what would that other sim be lynx??? out of curiosity

It's the other one. The sim that can't be mentioned

[Slash27]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
You want realism and immersion? Have your mom shoot one of your friends the next time you lose a bomber drone flying at tree top level.  

Just had a vision of him whining while pulling bits of skull from his keyboard and wiping brainmatter off his face. Im going to miss you nub.

[MadSquirrel]

Someone pointed out that if we got these special ords that players would soon mis-use them.  Parafrag bombs dropped from 25K over a town, auger and reup with troops, race to town and wait for the ords to nuke the town.  

Come on now.  Didn't they do that in WWII?  

Though an interesting idea, I believe it would lead to more lazy use of Buffs and lower drops than we have now.  Delayed fuze bombs would just encourage anything that could carry them to drop from 100 feet with impunity.  Nope.  Not in favor.

Bomb drop from F6 with 5 second delay from view to drop.  Make buffs bombers again and not lawn mowers.

LTARsqrl  <>

[Whisky58]

What about Ju88?. Nobody's mentioned the Ju.  If you really want to do low level or dive bombing in a decent sized bomber that is historically accurate take an 88.  It was used in low level anti-shipping in the Med & airfield strikes in BoB & eastern front and I think has dive brakes modelled.  
Also carries as much ord as a B17.
What's the problem?

[stephen]

simshell,
some sort of battle managment is in order I suppose, the great green blob of doom just isnt that much fun to fly in anymore, so I find myself hanging out in areas with less action, flying missions that I come up with myself..the fact is I flew in alot of bomber missions whenever somone would up one and THAT is fun, perhaps some sort of rank structure based on kills for fighters, and destruction of nme strats for bombers, there is currently no way of taking into account the fact that this bomber pilot just killed 2 hangers, but he augerd doing it, theres no negative when it comes to dying.....as a matter of fact you get reloaded with bombs much faster if you die so the opposite is really true...in aces hi bombers that die are rewarded by getting to emediatly take off a again, and its a drag...

You guy's are all up in arms over dive bombing lancs, well how about the N1K's that come blasting in from 10k with two bombs just to kill a fields troops?.........there is so much junk going on in MA that just wouldnt fly in the real world,, like torpedo's, we know its a death sentence to up a Ju-88 and try it, but I do anyway......why? because its rare, and when you do survive you feel like a god for 30 seconds....

Im trying to see a few more cool options for bombers.. perhaps the delayed action bombs could have a 2to3 second delay, that would stop the vulching bomb trick one of you spoke of........lets see.......ok skip bombing is not as i recall where you lob a bomb in from low alt by pulling up..., it is a specific type of fuse that allows the bomb to impact the ground, bound back up into the air, then explode after a preset ammount of time/or bounces..

all this talk of shooting my dad,friends whatever when I lose a bomber is very fine for you to laugh about, but honestly if you where gonna die in real life if your plane was shot down, youd never fly,, more junk fellas, pat each other on the back, youve done a wonderful job making me look stupid, your a legend in your own minds.....HEY SIMSHELL!!! open a new thread presenting your ideas, these boys aint so tough, if everyone stopped pushing for change because they where branded as idiots, nothing would ever be any diffrent.

[stephen]

The JU88 is a monster at killing towns, and even if the big buffs finaly lose the ability to dive bomb, the JU will still be able,  currently though if you apply the brakes in a JU88 ,in a dive, then your drones are gonna go blowing by you because for some reason they seem not to get the whole divebrake thing......l

[simshell]

i dont realy push the history over gameplay aspect to much

its not that i dont care that low level was not used as much as the high level

its that a pilot can take a set of lancasters which have a amazing bombload compared to all other planes and then unleash this massive payload with lettle effort and then do it ever 10 minutes at low level


the only reason why i see you all pushing history around is as a stick to beat each  other over the head with   its to ether attack the crisis of powerful lazy bombers or defend the lazy bombers who use lettle effort and cause great havoc if they reach there target and keep trying 10 times in a hour

[hubsonfire]

Okay, I give up. Is this bomberpuke or one of his aliases? Giganto or Fortress perhaps? He talks about a delayed fuze as a "fix" for the "vulching bomb trick that you speak of", but he's the one who suggested parafrags for that explicit reason.

You say this is about a trading of ideas, but really, it's about you freaking out whenever anyone says your ideas are neither new nor viable in the game.

And they're not. The best fix for the idiot tactics that your ideas would promote is to not impliment them. You said it yourself, and suggested a rank/scoring setup that rewards not blowing yourself up or immediately bailing out. Such a device is already in place, multiplying your points/perks by 4 should you actually return to base and land. We can see how well such a system works in game... A majority of buffs in the MA have a singular focus on the path of least resistance. Up to minimum alt to get your bombs off (something like 2 or 3 hundred feet at speed, since the bomb will travel forward enough to arm, and bail/auger/die in the blast.

All your ideas would do is increase the effectiveness of these tactics by allowing them to survive longer. Instead of salvoing all of their ord on one target, they could now strike at 2 or 3 targets on a field. They would no longer have to worry about their alt at all. Hell, they could belly in on the runway and carbomb the field. This would just not be good for HTC.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by stephen
The JU88 is a monster at killing towns, and even if the big buffs finaly lose the ability to dive bomb, the JU will still be able,  currently though if you apply the brakes in a JU88 ,in a dive, then your drones are gonna go blowing by you because for some reason they seem not to get the whole divebrake thing......l

"So let the guilty hang, in the year of the boomerang."

[stephen]

Ok now your just being silly...