So Much "Fuzzy Logic" Coming from the Libs...

[Nash]

PC,

I fully understand just how high passions are about this. Further, I understand WHY passions are so high about this. Speaking on a purely BBS kind of ROE - I have every right to add my comment. That simple.

But speaking as a person who's immediate family is American, and as a person who has himself got his education in America, and... to be honest here... is just mightily enamoured of the American political system as well as U.S. history throughout his entire life, I ALSO figure I have every right to speak my mind.

Don't wory, I wont force the Floridians to order a re-vote  

[easymo]

 Nash. If a man tells YOU that he is going to do something. What do you expect to happen?

 If a spoiled child tells you that he is going to do something. What do you expect then.

 Ima kinda big on this "word" thing. I know that im from another time, and it docent mean much to younger people. But in the long run, I cant stress its value enough.

 From personal experience I've been in tough spots also. I once got myself involved in a nasty little war. There I found that we were killing some of the very people we were told that we were being sent to protect. It was enough to make you puke, and I've had to live with it every since. But the bottom line was, I took an oath. I gave my word and had to live up to it. However you might feel about the uglier side of warfare. If troops start deciding which wars they will fight. And which ones they wont. We become another banana republic, in no time. Sometimes you just have to do what is best for the country in the long run.

[funked]

Nash, I forgot about the absentee ballots.  Please read my statement as:  "If Bush has the most votes when all votes has been counted... Game Over."

By fuzzy logic I mean the idiots who are discussing the popular vote or proposing a "re-vote".

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[Nash]

easymo - while I understand yer point of view....  I would.... er, let me put it this way.

Gore spent over 30 years of his life to get to this point. The majority of Americans agreed with his direction. Some offered vast amounts of money to support him. Many others gave up their jobs to help him succeed. And then the majority of Americans went down to the polling stations this past Tuesday and cast their vote for him.

I reckon that this majority of Americans would be right PISSED OFF at Gore if he felt compelled to throw in the towel based on a phone call to Bush driven by some erroneous forecast on ABC news.

That was stupid of him. But it doesn't take away the fact that he has an obligation to those people who voted for him.



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[Cabby]

Nash:

Gore was a coward and a traitor BEFORE this election.  His actions since the vote have only reinforced that fact.  And i won't bother pointing out the irony of Daley, etc. leading the charge in Fla. over "voter fraud".

BTW, your posts read much like the "Snot-nosed" Al Gore with his "Debate Number One Personality" in full glory.  Only YOU have a grasp on the "reality" of the situation, right??

Cabby

[Nash]

Screw it, I'm on a roll here  

Quoteth Cabby:

 

I always knew Gore to be a desperate man who do anything in his quest for power, including destroying the US Constitution

You dummy. Care to actually back that statement up? Or do you think that you can spoon feed the same crap to me that has obviously been spoon fed to you?

I practically dare you to substantiate this bit of.... of... horseshit.

[Nash]

       

Gore was a coward and a traitor BEFORE this election. His actions since the vote have only reinforced that fact.

Sluuuuuuurp. MMmmm... Thanks. Damn, ya learn something new every day. Whatever...

       

And i won't bother pointing out the irony of Daley, etc. leading the charge in Fla. over "voter fraud".

Well it may come as a bit of a suprise... but you just DID bother pointing it out. And I suppose there's no irony in James Baker decending upon the county of West Palm Beach to fend this off, eh? And you claim he's leading the charge over "voter fraud".... even putting those words in between quotation marks as if that would help make your statement seem somewhat true. Which it most certainly is not.

       

BTW, your posts read much like the "Snot-nosed" Al Gore with his "Debate Number One Personality" in full glory. Only YOU have a grasp on the "reality" of the situation, right??

Ooh..is that a claw I see? Hsssssss..... growwww!

Btw, that "Debate Number One Personality" phrase you concocted is kind of charming, in an absurd kind of way. Hell, if only Gore found a way to work something like that into his campaign, well.... we might not even be having this conversation right now    


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[LJK Raubvogel]

Nash, Daley comes from a family with a history of being involved in questionable elections in Chicago. I'm not sure of the specifics, but his brother and father were involved. For a citizen of another country, you sure have a strong opinion of our election system  

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[Wanker]

Hehe, I was gonna chime in here to help balance the knee-jerk right-wing froth that folks like Cabby have been spewing....but Nash is doing such a great job, I'll let him handle it.  

Oh btw Funked, last time I checked, this was still a free country, and I'm free to focus on the popular vote if I want to. You Reps focus on the electoral college, because that's the only reason Bush won. I focus on the popular vote, because that's the true indication of who the people want to be their president.

You guys are just pissed because you're supporting a new president that won the election without the majority of people backing him, and unless he's the next Lincoln, he isn't going to be very effective.

[Dinger]

And the only candidate who so far has filed a legal action to alter the electoral process in Flordia is George W. Bush.

[funked]

Yes I agree banana you are free to be an idiot!

   

PS I'm not a Republican.  And the focus on the electoral college is because... that's how presidential elections are decided.  It's kind of like focusing on the scoreboard at a football game.  Call me crazy but that's what I look at, not first downs or passing yards.

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[Cabby]

Nash:

Your last post shows me you haven't the faintest idea of what your are talking about.  Your ignorance of Daley/Chicago just dropped you from any further discussion.  But then, you are from another country and can be excused.  Somewhat.  

I find it revealing you admired the spoiled-brat/annoying know-it-all performance of Cry-Baby Al in the first Presidential Debate.      

BTW, James Baker is 10 times the man Daley, or Cry-Baby Al, ever hope to be.

banana:

In the United States we live by the "Rule Of Law", aka The Constitution.  At least we USED to, until the Clinton/Gore Administration infected our society.  In any case, your "popular vote count" BS is just that: BS.  

Whether Cry-Baby Al likes it or not, the Electoral College will determine the election. THIS time anyway.  All the ambulance-chasers in the world won't alter that fact.

Cabby

[Dowding]

   

In the United States we live by the "Rule Of Law", aka The Constitution. At least we USED to, until the Clinton/Gore Administration infected our society.

Looking in from the outside, alot of people seem to banging on about how Clinton/Gore/Democrats have ruined/will ruin America and that before Clinton gained office, the upper echelons of American politics were a picture of honesty and decency.

History says otherwise...



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[Nash]

Cabby,

 

Your last post shows me you haven't the faintest idea of what your are talking about. Your ignorance of Daley/Chicago just dropped you from any further discussion.

Are you reffering specifically to the 1960 election Cabby? If so I am fully aware of it. The Republicans obtained recounts, involved U.S. Attorneys and the FBI, and even impaneled grand juries in their quest to get a different election result. A slew of lawsuits were filed by Republicans, and unsuccessful appeals to state election commissions routinely followed. However, all their efforts failed to uncover any significant wrongdoing.

In Illinois specifically, for which Richard Daley was Mayor, the final recount showed that Nixon's votes had been undercounted by 943 -- yet, in 40 percent of the rechecked precincts, it turned out that Nixon's vote had been overcounted.

I'm not aware of any charges of fraud or other wrong doings either now or in the past with regard to William Daley, the person who I thought we were discussing. Feel free to fill me in on this if you know anything I don't. Don't get me wrong though, I'm with the full expectation that this challenge, if met at all, will contain even more unsubstatiated drivel.

Is it OK if I now rejoin the discussion?

 

I find it revealing you admired the spoiled-brat/annoying know-it-all performance of Cry-Baby Al in the first Presidential Debate.

Did I say that? I *did* watch all three... but havent commented about them on this board. But this is fully expected. It's become obvious to me that your comprehension skills are woefully lacking.

 

BTW, James Baker is 10 times the man Daley, or Cry-Baby Al, ever hope to be.

Meaningless biased dreck containing nothing.

[Mighty1]

It's funny you guys are screaming about the vote isn't over yet because of absentee ballots are not all in but you are the same guys that keep saying that Bore already won the majority vote.

At last count Bore was only up by around 222k

Which is it? Is the whole thing still up for grabs or do we have a clear winner?

The answer of course is YES it's still up for grabs and NO we don't have a winner yet.

And banana the reason we worry more about the Electorial vote is because until they change things in the end it's the only thing that really matters.

You can yell and scream all you want about winning the Majority vote(which you haven't yet..all votes are not in) but it still will not change the outcome of the election.