Ice bubbles reveal biggest rise in CO2 for 800,000 years

[lukster]

Originally posted by Nashwan
Burning fossil fuels released about 27 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere last year. Best estimates are volcanos release about 250 million tons a year.

Whatever else is happening, man is taking carbon that was removed from the atmosphere millions of years ago and releasing it on a massive scale in a very short time period.

Volcanoes can heat up water much more directly than through the emissions of greehouse gasses.

Here's a list of articles with links.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543202/posts

Perhaps not all of those posted links are credible.

[Angus]

Originally posted by Nashwan
Burning fossil fuels released about 27 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere last year. Best estimates are volcanos release about 250 million tons a year.

Whatever else is happening, man is taking carbon that was removed from the atmosphere millions of years ago and releasing it on a massive scale in a very short time period.

Sad but true.

[Angus]

Originally posted by Nashwan
Burning fossil fuels released about 27 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere last year. Best estimates are volcanos release about 250 million tons a year.

Whatever else is happening, man is taking carbon that was removed from the atmosphere millions of years ago and releasing it on a massive scale in a very short time period.

Sad but true.
BTW, is there any proper volcano having an eruption right now? Don't know of any.

And on top of that, since I've seen some good eruptions, and been very close, the "smog" isn't that much.
While my neighbour, Mt Hekla, is only some 30 miles away, an eruption in full power won't even smell much. There is no foggy smog either.
At the same time, on a still day, even a small city like Reykjavík (ca 200.000) will have a visible sphere from that distance, and it's one of the cleanest (in regards of air) cities of that size in the world.

As for underseas activity and what I was referring to with the last 100 years, is that it's a nice diversion. The sequence is like this:
1. We pump out greenhouse gases in stunning quantity. Every day.
2. Scientists find out the effect and issue a warning about warming.
3. Warming is established and is faster than predicted.
4. The human crowd starts debating about whether it's getting warmer or not, then denialists grab any log or diversion to float on. Such as, "It doesn't mean it's getting warmer despite the melting ice", It's those underwater volcanoes, It's a natural cycle, it's been worse before in the planet's history, It's just them volcanoes, and then the loosers side, uh, there's nothing that we will or can do.

Bottom line. We have an impact, and the predicted effect which was rather careful, is coming true with more weight than anticipated.

[Elfie]

Angus, when even the scientists studying global warming cant agree, how is it that you are 100% correct and the ones who arent buying in are denialists?

[lukster]

Originally posted by Angus
Sad but true.
BTW, is there any proper volcano having an eruption right now? Don't know of any.

Most of the world's volcanoes are underwater and many of them are currently "erupting". Didn't you read the link I posted? 75% of the worlds magma is coming from undersea volcanoes. Not sure what you mean by "proper".

[ReyPirin]

The thing about "saving the Earth" Is not about saving the Earth, is about what will happen when the Earth gets to the point where humanity cannot exist because we've made ourselves into a biohazard, that not only threatens  us, but threatens all life on Earth, life that we depend on for living.

The Earth will be fine we're the ones in trouble.

[Angus]

Originally posted by lukster
Most of the world's volcanoes are underwater and many of them are currently "erupting". Didn't you read the link I posted? 75% of the worlds magma is coming from undersea volcanoes. Not sure what you mean by "proper".

I'm sayin proper as in "big". Like the one in Alaska some years back.
(The one that blocked flight over the zone for a long time"

And I know about the underseas ones, most of them are not so big, but they're many.

AFAIK the biggest eruption in mankind's history occured not far from where I live, and lasted for 3 years. It cooled the climate over the whole of Europe.

[Angus]

News of the day: Glaciers in the Alps are melting at record speed.
Hope this link works.

http://www.mbl.is/mm/frettir/togt/frett.html?nid=1223821


Maybe a volcanoe to blame?



(press button marked "spila")

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
I'm sayin proper as in "big". Like the one in Alaska some years back.
(The one that blocked flight over the zone for a long time"

And I know about the underseas ones, most of them are not so big, but they're many.

AFAIK the biggest eruption in mankind's history occured not far from where I live, and lasted for 3 years. It cooled the climate over the whole of Europe.

I`ll say it one more time Angus. According to the folks suggesting this, it doesn`t have to be a big eruption from a known "cone". There are many, many volcanic , underwater vents, cracks, etc. It doesn`t and is not suggested as one major event doing this. You really should check it out.................if you can get past "the ice is melting".
If you can ever get past that there are many, many theories and doomsday scenarios. Another that has been sugested is changes in the sun and it`s output. If you can get past "the ice is melting", you have, at your fingertips, numerous ways to fill your "we`re all gonna die" cravings.
Check em out. The ice will still be melting when you are done.

Who is using your family brain cell at the moment?

Tsk tsk Angus....very unbecoming.

when the icecube has melted into your whisky, the alcohol in the liquid (promill) is less

The alcohol is still the same amount. It is just in a different ratio to liquid.

As for the rest of your text, it's just stuff from the nearest bog.

And your`s is from " The Angus foundation for the ice is melting">

Really need to get a grip Angus and check out some of what the other hand wringers are saying. When the theory is blown, you will be at a total loss.

OH........just for your benefit I checked out the coast of Texas. The only ice that is melting there is in the margaritas. I feel so much better knowing that.

[Jackal1]

A little snip.
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Goddard Space Flight Center
   

Krishna Ramanujan
Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.
(Phone: 301/286-3026)

This graphic shows trends in the length of the sea-ice season throughout the Southern Ocean over 21 years (1979-1999), as calculated from satellite data. Credit: Claire Parkinson, NASA GSFC

   

SATELLITES SHOW OVERALL INCREASES IN ANTARCTIC SEA ICE COVER
   

trends in the length of the sea-ice season throughout the Southern Ocean over 21 years (1979-1999)
 

While recent studies have shown that on the whole Arctic sea ice has decreased since the late 1970s, satellite records of sea ice around Antarctica reveal an overall increase in the southern hemisphere ice over the same period. Continued decreases or increases could have substantial impacts on polar climates, because sea ice spreads over a vast area, reflects solar radiation away from the Earth’s surface, and insulates the oceans from the atmosphere.

In a study just published in the Annals of Glaciology, Claire Parkinson of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center analyzed the length of the sea ice season throughout the Southern Ocean to obtain trends in sea ice coverage. Parkinson examined 21 years (1979-1999) of Antarctic sea ice satellite records and discovered that, on average, the area where southern sea ice seasons have lengthened by at least one day per year is roughly twice as large as the area where sea ice seasons have shortened by at least one day per year. One day per year equals three weeks over the 21-year period.
   
“You can see with this dataset that what is happening in the Antarctic is not what would be expected from a straightforward global warming scenario, but a much more complicated set of events,” Parkinson said.

[Jackal1]

Another

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This article appears in the April 14, 2006 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.

Greenland Ice Sheet Growing:
What Makes an Ice Age?

Have you been duped by a mass of propaganda about global warming? 21st Century Science & Technology Editor Laurence Hecht explains why the Earth is poised to enter a new glaciation.

Despite mountains of propaganda to the contrary, a mountain of ice in the center of Greenland has been growing over the recent decade. The floating ice on the East Antarctic ice shelf is growing too, adding a much greater mass of sea ice than was lost in the much-publicized collapse of the West Antarctic shelf.

These are among the surprising results of a study of ice-mass changes from 1992-2002, which just appeared in the Journal of Glaciology. The study, which went counter to many expert estimates, is based on the most precise satellite altimetry data ever gathered, using the European Remote-sensing Satellites ERS-1 and 2, and other observations.

The increases in Greenland ice and Antarctic sea ice are outweighed, however, by a slight decrease in the ice buildup on the Antarctic land mass. This net excess of melted ice over newly frozen ice would increase the global sea level—but not by very much. Its net contribution to sea level comes to +0.05 millimeters per year, with an error margin of +/-0.03 mm. Thus, in a decade, the contribution to sea level increase from the melting ice would have amounted to from 0.2 to 0.8 millimeters—that is, less than 1/30 of an inch!

The most important thing to recognize about this latest study, is that it says nothing about the future of the Earth's climate. No short-term climate trend can tell us that, because the primary determinants of Earth's climate are based on orbital-astronomical cycles of 21,000-, 40,000-, and 100,000-year duration. Understanding these orbital cycles is the key to being able to interpret for yourself, with a clear head, the mass of propaganda dished out every day by the global warming lobby, and to seeing why global warming itself is a myth.

[Angus]

So, in your mind, the global atmosphere isn't warming?
And definately not around the arctic?

[Angus]

Here's what NASA sais....
Guess they can't get over their melting problem either.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/seaice_meltdown.html

http://nsidc.org/news/press/20060404_winterrecovery.html


Call it propoganda, but this is NASA stuff, and here is one more bonus from physics. Ice reflects sunrays better than the sea. If you've ever been on an iced landscape you'll know what it means, - the cube in your margarita isn't big enough for a demo though. So, as it sais in the article above:

"Changes in the sea ice minimum extent are especially important because more of the sun's energy reaches Earth's surface during the Arctic summer than during the Arctic winter. Sea ice reflects much of the sun's radiation back into space, whereas dark ice-free ocean water absorbs more of the sun's energy. So, reduced sea ice during the sunnier summer months has more of an impact on the Arctic's overall energy balance than reduced ice in the winter. "

That's the whole deal here, what's happening accelerates itself. Signs to measure are Sattelite (shows decline), waterlevels (rise) and salt concentration (falling), so how is the outcome?

I get over the "Ice thing" with a result, - the overall balance is more melting than freezing. So make up yer mind about this:

1: is it melting
2: then, why?

same goes to the atmosphere....

1: is it warming?
2: why so?

Here's the stuff, - link provided by NASA.

[lazs2]

I am saying that the little teensy bit that man is helping the normal warming cycle of the planet is not worth doing anything much about.

prove me wrong...  hell... we can't even prove that raised limits of C02 will increase warming.... raised co2 levels have allways trailed global warming in the past.

lazs

[java45]

Originally posted by lukster
We've already been greatly inconvenienced in plugging up the hole in the ozone layer.

I'm so sorry that "we" have been "inconvenienced" by having to pay the price for damage we caused to our own Planet.

The current situation is an emergency and, in my humble opinion, nothing we do( not even the outright cessation of Industrial Polution etc) will reverse a course that will end in Earths Climate Change.

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