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Offline lukster

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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2006, 11:58:08 AM »
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produce even 1 lie from f9/11 lukster


Admittedly I couldn't stomach more than about 45 minutes of that drivel so I'll refer you to this for the deceitfulness of MM's f9/11.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2006, 12:03:47 PM »
Hello MT,

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Hehe.. Your logic is astounding. The implication that left wing propaganda would be OK is not clear at all.. except in your head.


Can you produce the outraged letter from the Senate Democrats to CBS over Dan Rather's "counterfeit but true" national guard story?

One doesn't exactly need to be a mind-reader to realize why they felt the need to remind ABC about how this discredits the "legacy" of noted left-wing newsmen (then again they might have gone completely over the top and reminded them that Stephanopoulos is now their chief Washington D.C. correspondent - "Come on guys, remember which side you're on!")

In any event, to assert that this series was "right-wing propaganda" when it attacks the Bush White House as well, displays the perceived need to maintain a lock-step "From Global Warming to 9/11 to the extinction of the Dodo - everything bad is Bush's Fault" in the media. We've gotten to the point where we can blame his administration for Hurricanes, and I expect Volcanoes, Bird Flu, and Earthquakes will be next.  

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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2006, 12:08:21 PM »
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Admittedly I couldn't stomach more than about 45 minutes of that drivel so I'll refer you to this for the deceitfulness of MM's f9/11.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm


but you can stomach your government leading your country into war based on lies against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11?

Have you found the WMD yet?
(pentagon now says they were mistaken) LOL

Did you find the link between AQ and Iraq?
(pentagon now says there is/was no link) LOL

You did provide a document that Iraq was trying to buy yellowcake from Niger, only to have be proven to be a fraudulent document within weeks after being stated. LOL

Have you found OSL? NO LOL

:rofl I can see why you are soooooo proud to support BUSH!:rofl

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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2006, 12:10:30 PM »
X sorry for the name calling....but you liberals crack me up......ahhh no use even trying to talk about liberals.......I know a girl that is a single mother...she gets a 1% rate on a home loan because of her irrresponsibilty..a liberal program......the liberals are fighting to keep the estate tax in play.......the liberal way..... give away programs.....people take advantage of welfare....food stamps.....I sit in the grocery store and watch people buy candy, steaks and every thing that they don't need...with liberal give away programs......liberals= do as I say not as I do
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2006, 12:15:48 PM »
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but you can stomach your government leading your country into war based on lies against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11?

Have you found the WMD yet?
(pentagon now says they were mistaken) LOL

Did you find the link between AQ and Iraq?
(pentagon now says there is/was no link) LOL

You did provide a document that Iraq was trying to buy yellowcake from Niger, only to have be proven to be a fraudulent document within weeks after being stated. LOL

Have you found OSL? NO LOL

:rofl I can see why you are soooooo proud to support BUSH!:rofl


Sudam played a game and he lost....do you remember when he went into kuwait??raping killing and stealing for no reason???do you want that type of person running a country????wait till Iran gets a nuke and drops it on some country...you x will be the first to say....why did'nt we go in there and take care of iran before they did that!
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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2006, 12:20:07 PM »
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...do you remember when he went into kuwait??raping killing and stealing for no reason???


damn straight I remember that.

I stood behind the American led attack to help the Kuwait's 100%. Sadam was the aggresser in that case and the US were heroes to me (and most of the world).

That was then...this is now.

ps: yes I know I was supporting G Bush senior...I liked him

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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2006, 12:22:41 PM »
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Democrats trample the first amendment yet again.


That's quite a stretch. The GOP controls the House and the Senate. Neither have taken any legislative action.

...and yet the Democrats are so powerful even in the minority they can strip the 1st Amendment rights of ABC.

:rolleyes:

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ABC folds under pressure on pointing out Clinton's hand in 9/11 attacks in upcoming show.


ABC made a choice.
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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2006, 12:32:40 PM »
Fahrenheit Lie #1

National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice is depicted in the movie telling a reporter, “Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11.”
The scene deceptively shows the Administration directly blaming Saddam and his regime for the attacks on 9/11 by taking her comments out of context. Now read the entire statement made by Ms. Rice to the reporter:
“Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It’s not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11. But if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that led people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York.” (CBS News, November 28, 2003 Interview)

Fahrenheit Lie #2

In the film, Moore leads viewers to believe that members of bin Laden’s family were allowed to exit the country after the attacks without questioning by authorities. o The September 11th commission, on the other hand, reported that 22 of the 26 people on the flight that took most of the bin Laden family out of the country were interviewed and found to be innocent of suspicion. (Sumana Chatterjee and David Golstein, “Analyzing ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’: It’s Accurate To A Degree,” Seattle Times, 07/05/04)

The commission reported that “each of the flights we have studied was investigated by the FBI and dealt with in a professional manner prior to its departure.”

Fahrenheit Lie #3

Moore claims that James Bath, a friend of President Bush from his time with the Texas Air National Guard, might have funneled bin Laden money to an unsuccessful Bush oil-drilling firm called Arbusto Energy.

Bill Allison, managing editor for the Center for Public Integrity (an independent watchdog group in Washington, D.C.), on the other hand, said, “We looked into bin Laden money going to Arbusto, and we never found anything to back that up,” (Sumana Chatterjee and David Golstein, “Analyzing ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’: It’s Accurate To A Degree,” Seattle Times, 07/05/04)

Fahrenheit Lie #4

The movie claims that the Bush administration “supported closing veterans hospitals.” o “The Department of Veterans Affairs did propose closing seven hospitals in areas with declining populations where the hospitals were underutilized, and whose veterans could be served by other hospitals” (Dave Kopel, Independence Institute, “Fifty-nine Deceits In Fahrenheit 9/11,” http://i2i.org/ Accessed, 07/11/04)

But Moore’s film fails to mention that the Department also proposed building new hospitals in areas where needs were growing, and also proposed building blind rehabilitation centers and spinal cord injury centers (News Release, Department of Veterans Affairs, http://www.va.gov, 10/24/03)

Fahrenheit Lie #5

Conspiracy theories abound about the reasons for the War on Terror, but none is more outlandish than the one propagandized in Moore’s film: that the Afghan war was fought solely to enable the Unocal company to build an oil pipeline (the plan for which was abandoned by the company in 1998).

Moore “suggests that one of the first official acts of Afghan President Hamid Karzai … was to help seal a deal for … Unocal to build an oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to the Indian Ocean. It alleges that Karzai had been a Unocal consultant.” (emphasis added) (Sumana Chatterjee and David Golstein, “Analyzing ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’: It’s Accurate To A Degree,” Seattle Times, 07/05/04)

Unocal spokesman, Barry Lane, says unequivocally, “Karzai was never, in any capacity, an employee, consultant or a consultant of a consultant,” and Unocal never had a plan to build a Caspian Sea pipeline. (Sumana Chatterjee and David Golstein, “Analyzing ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’: It’s Accurate To A Degree,” Seattle Times, 07/05/04)

Moore mentions that the Taliban visited Texas while President Bush was governor to discuss a potential project with Unocal.

While Moore implies that then-Governor Bush met with the Taliban, no such meeting occurred. The Taliban delegation did, however, meet with the Clinton Administration on this visit. (Matt Labash, “Un-Moored From Reality; Fahrenheit 9/11 Connects Dots That Aren’t There,” Weekly Standard, July 5-July 12 Issue)

Fahrenheit Lie #6

Even readily available figures are exaggerated for effect in Fahrenheit 9/11. The claims have a basis in reality, making them believable, but are false nonetheless. ü In the film, Moore asks Craig Unger, author of House of Bush, House of Saud, “How much money do the Saudis have invested in America, roughly?” to which Unger responds, “Uh, I’ve heard figures as high as $860 billion.”

The Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy reports that worldwide Saudi investment approximated $700 billion – a figure much lower than Unger alleges the Saudi government to have invested in the U.S. (Tanya C. Hsu, Institute For Research: Middle Eastern Policy, “The United States Must Not Neglect Saudi Arabian Investment,” http://www.irmep.org, Accessed 07/11/04)

The Institute reports that 60 percent of that $700 billion – roughly $420 billion, less than half of what Unger “heard” – was actually invested in the United States by the Saudi government.

Fahrenheit Lie #7

“Moore’s film suggests that [President] Bush has close family ties to the bin Laden family – principally through [President] Bush’s father’s relationship with the Carlyle Group, a private investment firm. The president’s father, George H.W. Bush, was a senior adviser to the Carlyle Group’s Asian affiliate until recently; members of the bin Laden family – who own one of Saudi Arabia’s biggest construction firms – had invested $2 million in a Carlyle Group fund. Bush Sr. and the bin Ladens have since severed ties with the Carlyle Group, which in any case has a bipartisan roster of partners, including Bill Clinton’s former SEC chairman Arthur Levitt. The movie quotes author Dan Briody claiming that the Carlyle Group ‘gained’ from September 11 because it owned United Defense, a military contractor. Carlyle Group spokesman Chris Ullman notes that United Defense holds a special distinction among U.S. defense contractors that is not mentioned in Moore’s movie: the firm’s $11 billion Crusader artillery rocket system developed for the U.S. Army is one of the only weapons systems canceled by the Bush administration.” (Dave Kopel, Independence Institute, “Fifty-nine Deceits In Fahrenheit 9/11,” http://i2i.org/ Accessed, 07/11/04)

“There is another famous investor in Carlyle whom Moore does not reveal: George Soros. But the fact that the anti-Bush billionaire [Soros] has invested in Carlyle would detract from Moore’s simplistic conspiracy theory.” (Dave Kopel, Independence Institute, “Fifty-nine Deceits In Fahrenheit 9/11,” http://i2i.org/ Accessed, 07/11/04)

Fahrenheit Lie #8

Not revealing relevant facts is dishonest enough. But to paint the Bush Administration as sympathetic and friendly to the Taliban prior to September 11, is not only dishonest, but maliciously so. ü Moore shows film of a March 2001 visit to the United States by a Taliban delegation, claiming that the Administration “welcomed” the Taliban official, Sayed Hashemi, “to tour the United States to help improve the image of the Taliban.”

But the Administration did not welcome the Taliban with open arms. In fact, the State Department rejected the Taliban’s claim that it had complied with U.S. requests to isolate bin Laden.

To demonstrate even further the Administration’s contempt for the Taliban and its illegitimacy, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher – on the day of the terrorist regime’s visit – said, “We don’t recognize any government in Afghanistan.”

Fahrenheit Lie #9

Moore does more than simply downplay the threat posed to the U.S. by the former Hussein regime in Iraq. He goes so far as to assert that Saddam “never threatened to attack the United States.”

If by “attack the United States” one interprets this claim to mean that Saddam never threatened to send troops to the United States, then Mr. Moore has a point. ü But Saddam Hussein clearly sought to attack the United States within his own sphere of influence, even though he didn’t have the resources to attack U.S. soil from his side of the world:

On November 15, 1997, “the main propaganda organ for the Saddam regime, the newspaper Babel (which was run by Saddam Hussein’s son Uday), ordered: ‘American and British interests, embassies, and naval ships in the Arab region should be the targets of military operations and commando attacks by Arab political forces.’” (Dave Kopel, Independence Institute, “Fifty-nine Deceits In Fahrenheit 9/11,” http://i2i.org/ Accessed, 07/11/04)

In addition, “Iraqi forces fired, every day, for 10 years, on the aircraft that patrolled the no-fly zones and staved off further genocide in the north and south of the country,” (Source: New York Times, 12/1/03).

Saddam Hussein also provided safe haven to terrorists who killed Americans, like Abu Nidal; funded suicide bombers in Israel who certainly killed Americans; and ran the Iraqi police, which plotted to assassinate former President George Bush.
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2006, 12:40:58 PM »
From Newsweek.com

"Sure, “The Path to 9/11” makes up dialogue, invents scenes and creates a composite character or two, but sometimes you have to craft the facts in a certain way to tell a complicated story."

BS.

The right-leaning Marc Peyser (newsweek.com) called the mini-series "hugely engrossing".

The left-leaning Doug Elfman (Chicago Sun-Times) called the mini-series "the most anticlimactic, tension-free movie in the history of terrorist TV. [A] bore."

It's all BS.  This country has become so polarized you can't believe what anyone says in the political or media arena anymore.  Those of us independents in the middle call BS when we see it, regardless of party.  Some of you need to get that through your thick skulls.

I don't/didn't like Bill Clinton.  But that doesn't mean I become an ABC cheerleader when they broadcast an inaccurate "docu-drama" about the history of the last 10 years because it casts his administration in an unfavorable light.

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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2006, 12:41:29 PM »
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That's quite a stretch. The GOP controls the House and the Senate. Neither have taken any legislative action.

...and yet the Democrats are so powerful even in the minority they can strip the 1st Amendment rights of ABC.

:rolleyes:



ABC made a choice.


ABC made a choice under pressure from Clinton and his cronies. What's he afraid of anyhow? Those that love him will continue to do so no matter what and those that hate him are the same.

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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2006, 12:45:11 PM »
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ABC made a choice under pressure from Clinton and his cronies.


The certainly did, but that doesn't make it a 1st Amendment issue.
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2006, 12:46:36 PM »
wow thats alot of lies there!!!!.....Mikie Moore,,,,do as I say not as I do!!!
Wander if he sold his halibertan stock yet???
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2006, 12:56:59 PM »
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The certainly did, but that doesn't make it a 1st Amendment issue.


Perhaps not from the pressure exerted by Clinton but if it's true that US senators threatened pulling their broadcast license then I disagree with you.

I just read the letter from the Democrat Senators. The threat, though somewhat veiled, was there. It's still scheduled for Sunday night. I may still watch it.
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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2006, 01:13:14 PM »
Klinton was too infatuated with getting hummers in the oval office to seriously deal with islamic facism.  The record is there (if you understand what the definition of is, is).  The record can be distorted and denied but we free people know the truth.
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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2006, 01:15:19 PM »
Its the oral office ....Yeager:rofl
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