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Offline AWMac

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« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2006, 02:43:20 AM »
I smoke. My Dad smoked. They removed his right lung 2 years ago December due to Lung Cancer.  He still smoked afterwards. Addicted.

Today I'm making arrangements for his internment at Arlington Natl Cem. And if yer wondering, yes he was cremated. The Last Smoke.

I'm doing everything I can do to quit.  

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« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2006, 03:06:56 AM »
Not smoking is wimpy.  I'd never trust anyone who didn't smoke at least occasionally.  Unless they had a reason not to.  The CS about vilifying smokers is  just too much.  That damn commercial that shows the woman being precautious with getting off work and going to her car with situational awareness, keys in hand to use as a weapon if need be (potential neerdowells are loitering nearby), at last getting home and locking the door then going to relax watching the tube having cake and a smoke.  Oh noooo !!!...she's killing herself by eating cake and smoking...nevermind the relaxation part doing so while lying on the couch.  Gawd, I think that's about the dumbest and most unrealistic  thing I've ever seen as an infomercial on TV.  Not the relaxing part, the part about how irresponsible and bad that is doing something like that.

If you enjoy 'em then have a damn smoke.  Enough of the nanny state already.  Geesh.

Not directed at anyone in here in any way.  Just venting.  Carry on.



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« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2006, 03:09:23 AM »
I posted before I saw your post Mac.  Not responding to you.  



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« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2006, 04:17:38 AM »
Originally posted by Sundowner
Hey bud,

Arent you getting paid to sweep up the butts?

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Another thing that pisses me off about where I work...the union allows workers who smoke breaks to do just that...smoke. I dont smoke so I only get one break and work my arse off watching the people who need their fix every 10 minutes sit on a bench and get fat. I have to pay $8 out of every paycheck (every week) toward this union. I dont get any benefits from the union until after 6 months. By that time I will be long into my A school in florida. So im paying for these people to have the right to sit on the bench every 10 minutes and smoke.

Today during my break I was in the breakroom listening to a bunch of these people say they may be going on strike soon. One of them asked me what I thought being new. I told them Id cross the line everyday and work all the hours you all will be missing because you all dont get paid enough to sit around and smoke.  :rolleyes:


If your not getting paid to sweep up the butts then dont sweep them up. :)
Problem solved!

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« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2006, 05:24:06 AM »
I think I'm going to try that stump-ignite thingie.
(I made a molotov when I was a kid, and then lot's of stuff. Often used a cigarette to ignite).

And here is a litttle story.
My dad used to smoke. Also in the car with us kids in the back. We got sick from it, and once I threw up on the back of his head :D
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #50 on: September 09, 2006, 09:13:12 AM »
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Originally posted by Sundowner
Originally posted by Sundowner
Hey bud,

Arent you getting paid to sweep up the butts?

Regards
Sun




 

If your not getting paid to sweep up the butts then dont sweep them up. :)
Problem solved!

Regards
Sun


The people who are paid to do that are the ones on the smoke break all the time adding to the mess. The managers (who also smoke) just pass the buck on to other departments.
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« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2006, 09:23:08 AM »
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I'm suprised you can smell anything over all that self rightiousness .
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Well, you wouldn't know self-righteous if it kicked you in your naive butt.

Because I said I dont understand why smokers think the world is their ashtray, and they don't understand how bad they smell, doesn't make me self-righteous you dummy.

It means I don't understand why they act as they do, and with so little regard for others and oblivious to the consequences of their actions.
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

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« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2006, 09:34:42 AM »
My butts niether niave, nor proned to be kicked.

Do smokers act different than you? What do mean by that? They don't go around calling people dummy or making general accusations against a large group of people? Is that what you mean? Your the one claiming the inability to understand something, maybe that makes you the dummy.
Or it could be they smoke to drown out your smell.

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« Reply #53 on: September 09, 2006, 11:03:39 AM »
Smokers have a problem with one thing.
They stink.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #54 on: September 09, 2006, 12:32:09 PM »
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My butts niether niave, nor proned to be kicked.

Do smokers act different than you? What do mean by that? They don't go around calling people dummy or making general accusations against a large group of people? Is that what you mean? Your the one claiming the inability to understand something, maybe that makes you the dummy.
Or it could be they smoke to drown out your smell.


Wow, you're not really very bright are you?

Since I lack the ability to understand, why don't you explain it to me.  Explain why the majority of smokers think the world is their ashtray, why they toss butts all over the place.  Then tell me why they don't understand how bad and offensive the stench of their smoking is?

You have put yourself in the position of having that knowledge, now please try and explain it to us.
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

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« Reply #55 on: September 09, 2006, 02:07:43 PM »
September 18th will be my 7 month quitting mark!  Best decision I ever made...It's great to go out, and actually smell good!  It's nice to not have to chew a piece of gum after every cig so that your breath isnt nasty...It's nice to know that all of the girls who would never touch a smoker by default, are now open to you!
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« Reply #56 on: September 09, 2006, 02:42:40 PM »
I quit a little over a year ago, but I still don't understand why people are so rabidly against smoking.  It doesn't bother me much one way or another.  My girlfriend assumed it did, so she quit smoking too, but I really didn't care.  I just wouldn't kiss her after she smoked until she brushed her teeth lol.

I enjoyed smoking, right up until the last cigarette I had.  If I thought I could smoke again without going back to a pack a day, I would.  As it is, the possible health issues and $$$$ I spent on smoking aren't worth the pleasure I got from it, so I quit.

It really wasn't even that hard... once you put your mind to it, it is pretty easy to quit.  

But yea, I still don't understand the rabid animosity a lot of nonsmokers have toward smokers.

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« Reply #57 on: September 09, 2006, 02:53:18 PM »
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And "we" won't let smokers inside now because it smells so much more better now without all the horrific second hand plague trying to rip out or lungs.


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A smoker's freedom ends when I have to inhale his smoke


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Second hand cigarette smoke is one thing that always affects my asthma adversely.


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It always amazes me that some smokers don't seem to have a clue how offensive the smell of smoking is to most non-smokers.


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If they want to go home and toss cigarette butts around, good for them, but when they pollute the world on a whole it's something different.


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Smokers have a problem with one thing. They stink


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I just picked the ones above out for reference.
I`m just curious, in the shceme of things, just how serious of a problem is smokers, cig butts, second hand smoke, offensive smell, etc.
Let`s have a little look see. :)
OK, I assume the area mentioned in the starting of the thread is outside. Just a guess. OK, let`s say you are standing outside the supermarket. More than likely you will be in the area of auto traffic. Toxic exhaut fumes. Irritates skin, lungs and can be a big no no for those with breathing disorders such as asthma, etc. Stink? Youbetcha. Pollutant? Absofriggenlutely.
More than likely, unless you are in some little podunk town, you can have a little look around and spy some factories and production buildings with exhaust vents that are spewing too many toxins, poisons and pollutants in the air to mention or name. Stink? Yep. Irriatant? Yep.
More than likely they will be some shipping/transport going on to supply the area. Probably a lot of these trucks are diesel , right?
Diesel fumes
Attached to the carbon particles that cause the soot are many nasty products of combustion, including nitrogen, carbon monoxide, aldehydes, nitrogen dioxide, sulphur dioxide, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, and more. In all, diesel exhaust contains more than 40 chemicals that are listed by the EPA as toxic air contaminants, known or probable human carcinogens, reproductive toxins, or endocrine disrupters.
In a lot of instances there will be paving going on in the area or possibly new businesses being built with asphalt roofing being applied.
Asphalt fumes
Formaldehyde, hexane, phenol, polycyclic organic matter, and toluene. Exposure to these air toxics may cause cancer, central nervous system problems, liver damage, respiratory problems and skin irritation.
Possibly, if it is in growing community or a business area , there will be some type of welding going on. Check out what is in these fumes.
Then you have the supermarket itself. Pollutant/toxin free. Hardly.
food preservatives
# Concerns about Nitrites  and cancer
# Concerns about BHA and cancer
# Concerns about toxic effects of BHT
# Concerns about Sulfites and hypersensitivity reaction
A new study has found flame retardant chemicals, called PBDEs, in foods taken straight from supermarket shelves. Hyperactivity in children, allergies, asthma, and migraines are often associated with adverse reations to food additives.
Then you have the steroid laden meat. The high levels of toxins and poisons in some fish, etc.
Hyperactivity in children, allergies, asthma, and migraines are often associated with adverse reations to food additives.
Then, after being terribly put upon by the smokers and being exposed to these polluting, stinking, allergy/ashtma causing freaks, you jump in your trusty auto to head to the safety of your home where you will not be exposed to such evils. Your car have carpet? Your house have carpet. Your house have paneling or paint.
Carpet/paneling
Toluene, benzene, formaldehyde, ethyl benzene, styrene, acetone to name a few.
Being the neat freak you are I`m sure you keep your dishs washed to prevent germs and health issues, right?
Formaldehyde found in some automatic dishwashing.
Liquid dish soap is the leading cause of poisoning among children under six years old as many commercial dish soaps contain formaldehyde and ammonia.
Not wanting to be exposed to germs and irritants that cause health problems you surely keep your toilet nice and shiney. Not to mention that if left alone it would make an old pesky smoker smell like roses. :)
Chlorinated phenols, known to be toxic to respiratory and circulatory systems and included in some toilet bowl cleaners. Rut Roh!
But aside from those few pesky facts, your home is a safe haven from pollutants/toxins, poisons, irritants and dangerous caustics........right? Oh think again sweet cheeks. :)
The average American household typically uses and stores about 10 gallons of hazardous petrochemicals in the form of household cleaners, pesticides, paints and solvents.
Now do most of the things listed smell bad? Hmmmm? Do they irritate and cause bad reactions such as asthma attacks and other health concerns?
While you are blaming everything from your health problems to world pollution on the old smelly smoker, do you ever take these into consideration?
Probably not.
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« Reply #58 on: September 09, 2006, 03:59:00 PM »
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The ignition point of gasoline vapor is approx 495 degrees F.  

The temp of a lit cigarette is:
Side of the lit portion: 400 deg C (or752 deg F)
Middle of the lit portion: 580 deg C (or 1112 deg F)

A cigarette can cause gasoline vapor to ignite.

Think about it, if a cigarette can cause trash, furniture and bedding to catch fire, does it sound reasonable it won't cause gasoline vapor to ignite?



good facts, so in theory it is possible.


but in practice its very unlikely.


possibly because of Englands climate, the outside temperature and moist air will play a part in stopping it. maybe in texas in summer it would be very different.
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« Reply #59 on: September 09, 2006, 05:36:23 PM »
Still anxiously waiting for shifty to enlighten me.
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"