9/11 through Arab and Iranian Eyes

[Seagoon]

For those of you still interested in what the Muslim reaction was to 9/11, Memri has put together a 43 minute video documentary narrated by Ron Silver and PDF entitled "The Arab and Iranian Reaction to 9/11 5 years later"

Here is the link   to the PDF
Here is the link to the video

If you have difficulty opening up the video, go to windows media player. click on FILE, OPEN URL, then Paste the following in: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=233961&ak=null
and click OK

I've found that works when just clicking doesn't.

- SEAGOON

[Eagler]

thanks for the link sir .. watching it now ..  was this on television? it should be

[lukster]

I watched just over half of it. I imagine the rest is more of the same. It's no surprise that many middle easterners believe 9/11 was a US/Zionist conspiracy when many Europeans and even Americans believe it also. People believe what they want and it's sad what so many want to believe.

[soda72]

Thanks Seagoon

[Elfie]

I watched about 30 minutes of this. Simply rediculous imo. How many times on tape has bin-Laden admitted to planning the 9-11 operation?

[Seagoon]

Hi Eagler,

Originally posted by Eagler
thanks for the link sir .. watching it now ..  was this on television? it should be

No, it definitely would not fit into the image that our media is trying to project of the middle east, and would interfere with peddling the "we (and the Israelis) are the problem" answer especially when you have state run TV stations in the Middle East running "9/11 retrospectives" saying things like:

"There are many events like these in American History. It has been proven that the Japanese Military attack on Pearl Harbor and on the American warships was planned in advance and implemented with the authorization, support, and encouragement of US President Roosevelt. They needed a pretext such as this to enter World War 2, and in order to effect public opinion so it would give its consent to enter the war. The exact same thing happened on 9/11."

When someone hates you enough to actually believe garbage like the above, rather than obvious truth that Al-Qaeda planned and executed the 9/11 surprise attacks and Yamamoto planned the Pearl Harbor surprise attack which was exectured by the IJN, you have people who are not going to be "reasoned with."

My favorite though was that the attacks were planned by the US as an excuse to carry out a directive from the World Council of Churches (and incredibly liberal organization, which is on record as against the War in Iraq and the "war on terror" generally) to Christianize the Middle East and wipe out Islam. Apparently we are doing a terrible job of implementing that "secret directive" to date.

- SEAGOON

[Seagoon]

Hi Elfie,

Originally posted by Elfie
I watched about 30 minutes of this. Simply rediculous imo. How many times on tape has bin-Laden admitted to planning the 9-11 operation?

Simply ridiculous maybe, but an incredibly prevalent view in the Middle East. They do have a couple of excellent interviews at the end in which Professors in Muslim countries openly complain about the pushing of these conspiracy theories in Universities and by governments.

What's interesting is the simultaneous juxtaposition of "This was all just a Mossad and/or CIA operation" with "We love Martyrdom operations" in other words. We refuse to believe that Al Qaeda did it, but we are very happy and proud and happy that it happened, but unhappy that it created the "pretext" for the invasion of Muslim lands. America, all wrong, all the time.

- SEAGOON

[Masherbrum]

I won't watch it and I am fresh out of rats a**es to care what any Muslim thinks of 9/11.   Piss on em, they aren't worth the effort.  "Their silent majority" tells me ALL I NEED TO KNOW.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I watched the whole thing. Very little of it surprised me.

[Elfie]

I see Seagoon is behaving like a true christian.

People who make statements like that generally have no real idea what it means to be a Christian.

As a Christian, I see nothing wrong with Seagoon's post. He isn't being hateful, just posted a link to a video/pdf that shows what some folks think of 9-11. The people in that video are no more rediculous than some of the posters on this bbs that believe 9-11 was a conspiracy. Nothing wrong in pointing that out.

Since this is the 5th anniversary of that fateful and awful day, I think it was appropriate for him to show us what some others think about it.

[Nashwan]

The readiness of people to believe that a former colonel in the IDF, who for 5 years ran the Israeli civil administration in the West Bank, is presenting them with an accurate view of Arab opinion is amazing.

I'm sure anyone posting links to propaganda pieces from Al Jazeerah or the Electronic Intifada would be quickly condemned, and the articles ignored.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
It's clear that YOU have an agenda. You offer an opposing opinion but no proof, only a personal attack, and a cut and paste.

At least Seagoon has the cajonies to post under his regular BBS name, and even goes so far as to sign his REAL name in his signature. More than can be said for you. A LOT more.

And you have yet to offer any real evidence that any of the translations are not true and correct translations. You only offer an article written by someone who does not like the organization.

Spot on imo.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Nashwan
The readiness of people to believe that a former colonel in the IDF, who for 5 years ran the Israeli civil administration in the West Bank, is presenting them with an accurate view of Arab opinion is amazing.

I'm sure anyone posting links to propaganda pieces from Al Jazeerah or the Electronic Intifada would be quickly condemned, and the articles ignored.

I dont believe that this shows an *accurate view of Arab opinion*. I do believe it shows the opinions of *some Arabs/Muslims*. If these types of statements keep being made in the Arab/Muslim world, then naturally more will start to believe them.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Nashwan
The readiness of people to believe that a former colonel in the IDF, who for 5 years ran the Israeli civil administration in the West Bank, is presenting them with an accurate view of Arab opinion is amazing.

I'm sure anyone posting links to propaganda pieces from Al Jazeerah or the Electronic Intifada would be quickly condemned, and the articles ignored.

Are the translations accurate? Are the people shown in the clips identified correctly? If the answer to both questions is "yes", then what they are showing you is factual, and is nothing more than a presentation of some of what is being broadcast or published in the middle east media.

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by Elfie
As a Christian, I see nothing wrong with Seagoon's post. He isn't being hateful, just posted a link to a video

sorry i disagree here, what he is doing is really propaganda,
with his post he says every arab & iranian is thinking what he linked in his post.
This is so wrong, because i knew a few Iranians who work close with us
and they disagree completely with what he posted posted. They have
a family & children like we have and they main wish is peace.
This thread is just spreading more & more blind hate & war.

And before some MP edit my post like the last time and call it personal attack,
this is the last time i read  some of his propaganda BS, he is on
the Ignore from 11.9.06

R
Gh0stFT