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« Reply #705 on: September 20, 2006, 06:24:26 PM »
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2. We created larger maps because things were just to congested on smaller ones.

   To decongest we had to make more points of attack. Well this sounds all well and good, the effect is that it would always create areas that were undefended. Now because of bigger population bigger groups formed. And they would go attack the undefended places. Hence the creation of the "Horde syndrome".
  With smaller maps and smaller groups, individuals could get several friends and have an effect on the group attacks.  With attack groups numbering 50 or more, small groups defending can't even offer resistance and so they don't bother.One person can no longer create an adhock  response to defend, so none even tries.


In conclusion.
When we started this game we knew  that  ,if we succeded at it, we would eventulay have to break up arenas, weather at 200, 500, 750 or 1000th or even more.

What we did not know, because we hadn't tried before was, where was the max arena size that worked.

We now have a pretty good guess of the limits.

HiTech


Only difference now is the size of the hoard, ratio ways (attacker/defender) it's very similar.

Cap on the LW has made the numbers imbalance worse than ever, never seen some ENY limits as high as they are, thats including RJO nights and close to resets.

Undefended base taking is rampant, even worse than the MA ever was.

Dunno HT, I know what your trying to do, but sorry it aint working.

Overall numbers seem down also.
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« Reply #706 on: September 20, 2006, 06:27:08 PM »
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FALCONWING: So you are so close to your squad members that you could only name about 1/2 of them.


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« Reply #707 on: September 20, 2006, 06:31:53 PM »
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When you can only name 1/2 your squad, I would have to say, that there realy is no way the other 1/2 could be considered friends, wrather only people you have met occasionaly.  
HiTech


   Quite frankly Dale i find using someones ability to recall 100+ names at the drop of a hat, as a guage of the loyalty to their "freindship's", rather childish and rude for that matter.  

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« Reply #708 on: September 20, 2006, 07:08:41 PM »
If there was something tangible to connect arenas, would it still work? I'm thinking scenarios over the early, mid and late war. I think having the three arenas not affecting each other is a problem. I'm thinking thats half an answer as long as the three arena have nothing to do with one another (other than a summation of scores). If there were goals in the EW that would affect plane sets in the mid and late wars, the idea of 3 arenas might make more sense. If team A is bashing team C in the early war arena, team C has a problem with plane sets in the mid and late war arenas. It would be like a holographic war with the early , mid and late wars going on at the same time but still affecting each other. It would be complicated to implement, but it would connect the three arenas. Imagine 7 people going over to the early war arena, fighting it out and affecting what is available in the mid and late war arenas. I think all arenas would get a bunch of use. Team C should have to make gains in the early or mid wars to bring their victory to fruition in the late war. The arenas need to be linked.

A team would have to win the war in the late war arena. But things they do in the early and mid war arenas would affect what is available to win the late war arena. Strategy would become a lot more important and ALL arenas would be important. No question - all three arenas need to be  strategically linked. Like chess- you have the opening, mid game and end game, but in AH, have them all going on at once.

I think it would work, solve all the problems and open up new strategic possibilities and remove the synthetic "eny"

Think about this. I don't know how hard it would be to code, but the possibilities and delightful complications to winning a war would be interesting.
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« Reply #709 on: September 20, 2006, 07:23:01 PM »
I dont know Mugzee...

I dont think HT was saying that Falc is a bad person (I know I dont think he is!), but that huge squads dont really support close personal relationships. Even if you COULD name 100 people on your country, does that mean that your relationship with them that it would be immoral to split you up? I dont think so.

At some point, friendship becomes aquaintance. Both are good, but aquaintances just arent as close. In that sense, moving into another circle (liek flying with another country) BROADENS your circle of aquaintances, it without taking any of them away.
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« Reply #710 on: September 20, 2006, 07:37:55 PM »
As I try to put myself in Falconwings' shoes, I begin to understand another part of the frustration. No matter what you think of BOP, you cant deny that it took a lot of time and invested energy to build it. It's been around a long time. Each person who's joined, even if they since have left the squad or AH, represented a very real relational investment.

And now, the ground has moved under them. Not only has the environment changed, but the dynamic that made the organization possible has totally shifted. Guys who have been there a very long time have to face some fundamental questions about the squad's future.

That cant be comfortable, and I can really understand why there'd be anger. I think I might feel cheated, like somebody changed the rules unfairly. I imagine it would feel like being the world's best turntable manufacturer, and watching the CD revolution happen in front of you.

Not easy at all, and very understandably frustrating.



In a sense, BOP was one solution to the depersonalization of the MA. Falc took anybody in, and gave them a social and support structure in the game. They had fun. That's all for the good. But I wonder if HTC is saying that the large squad answer does not completely solve the game's problems with community, and that something different is needed for the long term.
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« Reply #711 on: September 20, 2006, 07:53:08 PM »
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But please explain to me how I don't play nice??

It's a two way street you and Hubs are on, one I'd rather not travel down myself.

The BKs are a very diverse group, our love of heads-up fighter versus fighter ACM being probably the only common denominator. They do not speak for me, nor I for them. I just take exception with us all being lumped together iin any category other than the one I mentioned. I appreciate knowing you know the difference.

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« Reply #712 on: September 20, 2006, 08:11:40 PM »
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FALCONWING: Ask your self one question.

How many members of your squad can you personaly name with out looking at the squad roster.




Why would you even say that???

OK allright ive had it...ill probably get banned from the boards or persona non grata for this but im done. WHAT are you kidding me??? I agree with falcnwng I flew this game to have fun and meet new people...yea I can lose it on 200 sometimes and your WONDER idea of spliting us off from our fiends is really stupid yea STUPID. You made this game so people can have fun  and you fly with people yea lets see how many people you can name from this game without looking at your suscribers roster. Ive made a stand here this game has gone down from here sept 13th. Ok what are you guys going to say now? stop crying and quit already...no im going to stay in this game...yea im going to hate it with this 3 crap arena thing where the sides are REALLY uneaven...yea 30 bish 40 rooks 8 knits 9/20/06 at 4pm YEA thats a fun fight.


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« Reply #713 on: September 20, 2006, 08:16:03 PM »
Nice one. Not overdramatic and to the point. Well played sir.
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« Reply #714 on: September 20, 2006, 08:17:59 PM »
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yea im going to hate it with this 3 crap arena thing where the sides are REALLY uneaven...yea 30 bish 40 rooks 8 knits 9/20/06 at 4pm YEA thats a fun fight.

Viper, are you skipping over much of this thread or do you just want to continue blaming HTC for the unbalanced sides instead of assigning blame for that to the PLAYERS?

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« Reply #715 on: September 20, 2006, 08:21:05 PM »
Vipy, take a deep breath, then go finish that algebra homework.

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« Reply #716 on: September 20, 2006, 08:21:49 PM »
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When you can only name 1/2 your squad, I would have to say, that there realy is no way the other 1/2 could be considered friends, wrather only people you have met occasionaly. -HiTech



What the he11 was that?!?  UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!
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« Reply #717 on: September 20, 2006, 08:23:38 PM »
Thanks loads, I'm sure.:huh
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« Reply #718 on: September 20, 2006, 08:29:42 PM »
Hell, I can only name one or two guys in my squad.  Hub for sure... so ugly, how could I ever forget him.

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« Reply #719 on: September 20, 2006, 08:34:27 PM »
I cant believe I am gonna say this......

But I agree with Falc on this one..

From day one when I first started this game, Its been about the guys I have flown with and the friendships created.

Now as a CO of a large squad... I also have not flown very much in this "modified arena" Setup....  Personally I think it sucks.

Half of my squad is in one arena, 4 are in another and the rest arent even signing on anymore cause of the BS.....

The worst thing is that there arent many good fights, just a bunch of guys in crap planes with an ENY of 30.

I dont know what all it takes to make this game what it is, but to me it seems like at least the OPTION of the new arenas with the old MA would be fun.  Would at least give people the option to do what they want to do instead of just going where you can actually get in.


And yes, I can name the guys in my squad also.... The worst part is naming the guys that are leaving the game cause of this.