New arena format Part 2 - Use this thread, don't open duplicates

[NAVCAD]

Don't know if this has been covered in any or all of the comments, and considering the fact that there are over 4 pages worth....BUT....

Skuzzy,

Can you enable the guns on the ships in all of the arenas?  Last night I was in the early arena and non of the guns were man-able on the ships (8" or 5" Flak).

Haven't spent a whole lot of tiime with the new set-up, but it looks promising once the bugs are worked out.

NAVCAD

[999000]

Yeager sometimes great people get it wrong!
999000
Last night you can't fly B17's in the early war where most of the compitition was.........ok I go then to the mid years......great enemy thing can't up B17...great again.....go to late war attack closest base where I hope to find a bad guy...About the most exciting thing that happened was a acorn fell out of a tree! at least make it so we can shoot the good guys down!
999000 BTW I still have not seen the data which this change was based on!

[Mathman]

I don't know if the current setup is the answer, but I do feel like the old MA had become as stale as three week-old bread.  I welcome a change and hope to see this work.  If it doesn't, I hope that more changes are made so a good solution is found and more life is put into this sim.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Overlag
why didnt HTC just make two MA's

1:
one with large maps, and all planes with a 600 cap.
basicaly the standard MA

2:
one with small maps, and early planes (39-43) with a 400 cap.
a new arena, with the only small maps... some people prefer the smaller maps... And they still get a good range of planes.

im sure this would make the European players happier...since flying against 8 players is boring..... if i wanted that id cancel my sub, and fly free arena's;)

so why not go to only 2 arena's, and only bring in a midwar arena when numbers outgrow two servers?

[Edbert1]

NAVCAD, I was in the EW arena last night and can assure you the guns on the fleet that I was at (Bish fleet near A1, prime-time) were mannable.

Originally posted by Overlag
so why not go to only 2 arena's, and only bring in a midwar arena when numbers outgrow two servers?

So what if some folks like the MW arena, you want to force folks to play the way you want them to? I think choice is a good thing, so more choices are more gooder

[BlkKnit]

Originally posted by Overlag
im sure this would make the European players happier...since flying against 8 players is boring..... if i wanted that id cancel my sub, and fly free arena's;)

so why not go to only 2 arena's, and only bring in a midwar arena when numbers outgrow two servers?

Well, I prefer a mid-war arena now.  Why dont they add your arena on later

[KAntti]

Even though I find the change, a change to better, I must say, all this is very educational reading, all 20 or so pages of it.

I think people who have been flying AH for a long time generally applaude change, any change, because the change is what still keeps them around. Thats why so many Internet based games, or any game with or without multiplayer functionality will only last as long as people find it interesting (re-playability). To keep it interesting there must allways be something new that stimulates the player.

If one could only see the benefits in how much a change stimulates him or her, one would not make such a noise as heard (or read) here. I mean look at your selves! You all have made a giant effort defending your way of thinking (even if it was frustrating) and at the same time found something totally new to this game.

This is why AH has generally survived as long as it has and keeps surviving and evolving to ever better. AH offers it's users (not merely players) something to get happy, fulfilled, pleased and last but in no case least angry about. Not only does it offer this for a defined period of time like most of games but by a method of radical and not so radical evolving, keeps us glued to our seats or getting back to the game to see what the heck have they done this time.

So please do understand, that even if you now feel that "change is baaaaaad, because i just joined a huge squad and learned how to vulch and now vulching is made harder to do". You are only better off, because you will now become a better vulcher

Please do not pick on the vulch issue, because it is only a poor example of a point

[Yeager]

999000

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Edbert1
NAVCAD, I was in the EW arena last night and can assure you the guns on the fleet that I was at (Bish fleet near A1, prime-time) were mannable.

 
So what if some folks like the MW arena, you want to force folks to play the way you want them to? I think choice is a good thing, so more choices are more gooder

its great for milk runners cos theres no defenders.

[Bear69]

Ok, Time to add my thoughts to all this ...... so "Bear"with me.  I liek the idea for the MOST part.  I do have a coupe reccomendations i'd like to see hTC take under consideration.  
1.  During the daytime hours (e.s.t morning) there are less than 100 people online at times and with 4 arenas running it's very very sad, and hard to enjoy the game at all with 20 people in an arena.  Would it be possible to open and close arenas depending on the number of players online?  if there is only 100 online force them into 1 arena maybe?  The game has lost much of it's attraction when you have to go LOOK for someone to fight.

2.  If the idea of a Early war arena is going to continue we need more options than just 1 tank.  a little more variety would be nice to add.  Those are just the thoughts i've had so far, besides that i really like the idea , i think it just needs some modifications.

Bear69

[Bear69]

I neglected to proof read or spell check, lol

[Overlag]

Originally posted by BlkKnit
Well, I prefer a mid-war arena now.  Why dont they add your arena on later

its not about "removing" anything.

you still get your planes.

you cant remove early or late arenas or there would be NOWHERE to fly them planes.



with a early/late arena setup the mid war planes would be perk rides in early arena, or low ENY rides in late.

[Bear69]

that would also be a good idea, but you can CLOSE arena's during certain times of the day when numbers are low.  Keep 2 of the 4 closed during off peak hours and just have an early and late war.

[Iceman24]

"Yeager sometimes great people get it wrong!
999000
Last night you can't fly B17's in the early war where most of the compitition was.........ok I go then to the mid years......great enemy thing can't up B17...great again.....go to late war attack closest base where I hope to find a bad guy...About the most exciting thing that happened was a acorn fell out of a tree! at least make it so we can shoot the good guys down!
999000 BTW I still have not seen the data which this change was based on!"


I agree 100%, I was over there with you, boring is all I can say unless you want to fly in the early war arena... what was really funny was when I logged into the early war arena I couldn't up anything because the ENY was at like 47 or something rediculous... basically unless all you want to do is furball in the early war arena your game got hurt.... why don't we just make an early war arena and a regular MA. I myself like to furball everynow in then in a Piece of crap plane like a hurri or P40, but mainly I like to fly P38's and P51's, If I want to fly anything but an early war plane I'm stuck with just flying in and doing useless attack sorties, nobody ups to defend bases, they don't even bring out flak guns or M16's, why ? because nobody is in the freaking arena, everyone is in the early war. basically all that's happened is this has turned into an arena for furballing, an arena for porking/stratting with no resistance, and an arena to go take undefended bases over and over again... I played for 3-4 hours last night and the only good fights I had in late war were 2 times versus uptown and some of his buddies, other than that I just wasted 3 hours flying around. Then when I go to early war, there's people on country channel recruiting others to go to mid war and late war 2 to just take bases to reset the map... sorry for venting but I do not see 1 single improvent this new arena system has created. I don't take bases, I don't care who wins the war, I don't care about the AVA arena, and I could care less about TOD, The main arena is all jacked up now, and that is the main reason I started playing this game a long time ago, now its all messed up, can anyone tell me why ? I have read several of the posts by people saying this is for the better and haven't seen 1 example as to how, you give me 1 reason why the new arena system is better and I'll give you 10 as to why its not. This will be my last post on the subject, gonna give it 1 more month to see if it works out then I'm gonna split, has nothing to do with the 15 bux a month, its more about taking a great thing and ruinining it just to suit 5 or 6 players. When I was playing AW and they made the changes it ruined the game, the fight, and mainly the community and that's what's happening here... AH staff, you don't even have to read the BBS complaints to see this is a bad idea, just simply login to any arena and you'll hear nothing but complaints from everybody, and if you login to any arena but early war you probably won't here anything at all because the only people that are in mid-late war are padding scores or just taking bases for points. As I said earlier this is my last post on the subject, will give it another month to see if things pan out, if they don't I'll just have to dig my xbox back out. I wasn't trying to be negative but everyone else if voicing there opinion on here and I thought I'd at my 2 cents for what its worth.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by FiLtH
I guess I liked the variety of the old MA better than I thought I did. Each fight was different, as the planes had to be fought differently. After a couple days in the early war arena, one that I really looked forward to, Ive seen alot of the same couple of planes, creating the same type of fights over and over.
 
    I know many like it, so who am I to say it shouldnt be this way. But theres is something this little change has done to my interest level, either the fact there are less people and less fights, too much time flying around, or the scattering of people. I dont know what it is, but for me its become a negative experience.

   I would suggest an early arena, and the standard MA as the available arenas. An effort to keep atleast 300 people in one of each.

It really shouldnt surprise anyone that this was what was going to happen...most of all HTC. Im pretty sure they knew this was exactly the way things would shake out. I have to also speculate and guess that a turn over to the next generation of palyers was/is fully expected. Its a biz decision, carefully thought out. And as much as it might seem hurtfull of insensitive to some...It's really of no concern to HTC of how it might effect 200 players or so. Its about where it all headed in the long haul that matters to a business.

I would suggest an early arena, and the standard MA as the available arenas. An effort to keep atleast 300 people in one of each. This is where it's all headed basically. Sure there will be 3 MA's available at log in. But watch the numbers and you will see that basically there will in effect be 2 Arenas as you have suggested, and the planeset in the New Improved, Merged LW1 and LW2 arenas already offer nearly a full plane set..