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Offline Neubob

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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2006, 09:26:55 AM »
Instead of being evil and resorting to torture, we should just fire a couple dozen ALCM into this thing when construction is completed.

 

See, that way, the stuff they did comes back to them, and we're only responding, instead of setting the precedent.

There is no such thing as moral high ground in warfare. It's an illusion that will cost us dearly. The one who wins is the one who demonstrates will where his enemy does not. The one who loses is the one who starts weeping over the poor broken body of his enemy. Unless we're ready to accept that there are no nice guys in war, we should avoid engaging in it.

The Muslims' lack of scruples, their willingness to go the extra mile and do what we find reprehensible, is what gives them an edge. Our nuclear arsenal, which has been castrated by our moral code (no, I am not advocating its use, I am only pointing out that the whole world knows that we won't), is useless in the face of their IEDs and beheading videos.
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2006, 09:29:16 AM »
The one thing that struck me ironic was Congressmen talking on the subject of torture saying they were concerned if we treated prisoners outside the bounds of the Geneva Convention, the same might be done to our servicemembers if they are captured by an enemy.

Show me one enemy we have had in the last 80 years who has stuck to the Geneva Convention in their treatment of our soldiers held as POW!  Hasn't really happened, they all ignore it completely.
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2006, 09:36:07 AM »
The japanese used to crucify captured american soldiers and cut there genitals off and stick them in there mouths while screaming.... We ended that with a couple of well placed nukes...

The Jihado facists laugh at the screams of a prisoner who is having his head removed with a dull steak knife... Suicide bombers pray to allah that when they detonate thier bomb payload that many children are killed.

We may end this as well with several well placed nukes....
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2006, 09:46:00 AM »
No more torture? Damn, What will Jack do?
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2006, 09:46:01 AM »
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We may end this as well with several well placed nukes....


Too bad the enemy is all but sure that we won't. I'm all for proving them wrong, but I think I'm in the minority.
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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2006, 10:02:55 AM »
and I just know that it'll come back to us in the form of increased torture used against US servicemen/women when they're captured.
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Sounds like your training needs some revision in light of the Jihad.  If your ever unfortunate enough to be captured in uniform by these folks you can expect to be beaten, raped, mutilated and finally to have your head removed in the most animalistic way imaginable.  Honestly, you do know this? Right?
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2006, 10:05:59 AM »
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Sounds like your training needs some revision in light of the Jihad.  If your ever unfortunate enough to be captured in uniform by these folks you can expect to be beaten, raped, mutilated and finally to have your head removed in the most animalistic way imaginable.  Honestly, you do know this? Right?


Jihad doesn't hold a candle to the ruthlessness of the japanese during ww2
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2006, 10:13:46 AM »
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Sounds like your training needs some revision in light of the Jihad.  If your ever unfortunate enough to be captured in uniform by these folks you can expect to be beaten, raped, mutilated and finally to have your head removed in the most animalistic way imaginable.  Honestly, you do know this? Right?


So what? Are we better than they are or aren't we? Do we deserve to claim rightiousness or not? Honestly, you know this is important right?
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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2006, 10:20:17 AM »
Your going to compare butchering another human being in cold blood to making one stand out wet in the cold, aren't you.  This is what I expect.
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2006, 10:25:19 AM »
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Your going to compare butchering another human being in cold blood to making one stand out wet in the cold, aren't you.  This is what I expect.


Or marching in the cold....for miles......with no food.....no rest, yeah, ask who went through it, they would call it torture
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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2006, 10:47:53 AM »
I see, Americans are now the equivalent of the Japanese at Bataan?

Is that your implication?
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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2006, 10:47:56 AM »
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I make a distinction between enemies like the Islamists and enemies like those we have fought in all our other wars, where individuals may commit attrocities but it is not culturally embraced as a desireable or moral thing to do, as it is with Islamists.


Ever heard about the nazis?
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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2006, 11:12:49 AM »
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Too bad the enemy is all but sure that we won't. I'm all for proving them wrong, but I think I'm in the minority.

Hopefully you are in the minority of a minority...
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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2006, 11:23:10 AM »
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I see, Americans are now the equivalent of the Japanese at Bataan?

Is that your implication?


You are missing the point. We held fast to what we believed and what America stood for no matter what the japanese did. That's what Americans do, that's what Americans have died for.

But i'll play your game anyway. You know how the japanese spin it, right?

"Hey, all we did was make them march, what were we supposed to do with them, shoot them? We gave them rice and let them sleep on the ground, we had no other place to put them. We made them march, big deal. You call that torture?"
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« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2006, 11:25:04 AM »
Good post(s) Eagl. Refreshing too.
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