Author Topic: Ok, voter ID is discrimination... (Read 993 times)

cav58d · « **Reply #30 on:** September 21, 2006, 07:05:19 PM »

Funked?.......

Viking · « **Reply #31 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:26:43 PM »

Why not require a SSN? Those are given by the federal authorities right?

Over here we are given a unique "SSN" at birth, and we are required to positively identify ourselves by using a government approved ID when voting.

bj229r · « **Reply #32 on:** September 21, 2006, 10:26:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
Why not require a SSN? Those are given by the federal authorities right?

Over here we are given a unique "SSN" at birth, and we are required to positively identify ourselves by using a government approved ID when voting.

In the states you can have a Social Security # and NOT be a citizen, same as a drivers license---I.D. is a nice start, and I THINK proof of citizenship is required by 2010.

Note--the 'poll tax' bs by John Lewis doesnt hold water---there is money in the bill to PAY poor for poor people to get state-approved I.D. (seems like they'd need that anyhow to cash their welfare checks:cool: )

Viking · « **Reply #33 on:** September 21, 2006, 11:43:47 PM »

Yes but how many illegal immigrants have SSN's? And how many dead people have active SSN's.

If votes were linked to SSN's it would be much harder for local governments to commit voter fraud without the federal government finding out.

Or am I completely off the mark here?

-dead- · « **Reply #34 on:** September 22, 2006, 04:34:26 AM »

According to Greg Palast: "The federal government reports that 300,000 voters were turned away from the polls in 2004 for lack of "proper" I.D. Not lack of I.D., but lack of proper I.D. In New Mexico, for example, voters who excluded their middle initial on their driver's license but included it on their voter registration lost their vote. But not everyone is asked for I.D. Experts for the US Civil Rights Commission calculated that a Black voter is 900% more likely to have their ballot left uncounted than a white voter."

So without introducing a uniform, mandatory federal ID card that is deliberately matched to the voter registration, ID card checks can -- and no doubt will -- be used a tool for dodgy vote challenges. The ID card also needs to be difficult to forge, or else it'll be useless at stopping illegal immigrants.

300,000 reported cases of improper ID taking away votes, versus Johns Hopkins' 1,500 dead people fraudulently adding votes: both are wrong, but it seems that only the dead people are going to be addressed by the current bill.

Rolex · « **Reply #35 on:** September 22, 2006, 06:12:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Viking
Yes but how many illegal immigrants have SSN's? And how many dead people have active SSN's.

If votes were linked to SSN's it would be much harder for local governments to commit voter fraud without the federal government finding out.

Or am I completely off the mark here?

Having a SSN does not indicate citizenship. Permanent Residents and those with a work visa are legal aliens who also have a SSN, pay taxes, are subject to a military draft if called (student and Permanent Resident visa holders) and other responsibilities, but cannot vote. Citizenship is required to cast a ballot.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #36 on:** September 22, 2006, 06:57:36 AM »

Rolex, I have personally witnessed illegals voting. Here is how it worked the day I witnessed it.

A truckload of people are brought to the voting station. None of which can speak English. When they get to the entry point, they are directed to another stand which spaeks thier language. If you stood and just watched, the illegal would make be asked a question by the person.

Then a moment later the person would hand the illegal a card. One of them dropped the card as he passed me and I picked it up. It was a completed instruction list, in thier language, on how to vote and who to vote for.

I was going to say something, but then realized I was being eyeballed my about 8 different people of the same ethnic persuation. One of the them approached me and asked if there was a problem. I handed the card back to the individual and said "Nop", and commented, "Nice to have the help cards ready for people.".

He returned the comment, "It just explains the importance of voting and how the machines work." I returned, "Oh, good isea" and left it at that.

No telling where I would be today had I told him I understand exactly what was on that card.

Now that was a long time ago (early 70's). I am sure the process has been improved since then.

culero · « **Reply #37 on:** September 22, 2006, 07:17:06 AM »

Skuzzy, change is hard when people behave in ways that show they accept the status quo. Being outnumbered isn't an excuse. I'm not insensitive to your dilemma in this situation, but I can say I've been in similar situations before, and my self-confidence always allowed me to survive unharmed even though I spoke up loudly.

Our forefathers risked all to give us liberty....sometimes its worth some risk to defend it.

culero

Skuzzy · « **Reply #38 on:** September 22, 2006, 07:33:04 AM »

Culero, had you been there, you would have a better understanding. It was very clear the officials running that station were very much aware of what was going on. Any noise I would have made would not have made any difference.

Eagler · « **Reply #39 on:** September 22, 2006, 07:39:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Any noise I would have made would not have made any difference.

Not True!

It would have made a difference in your physical well being

Rameusb5 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 22, 2006, 07:43:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy Then a moment later the person would hand the illegal a card. One of them dropped the card as he passed me and I picked it up. It was a completed instruction list, in thier language, on how to vote and who to vote for.

Believe it or not something similar happened to me in the last election. I was walking up to the voting center and a woman approached me and asked if I was a Democrat (which I am). I was a bit surprised, but said yes. She offered me a slip of paper similar to the card you described which people and issues I should vote for. I told her I was quite capable of making my own decisions and walked off.

It made me a bit sick that people try to do stuff like that. I'm sure in their own minds they're "helping," but as far as I'm concerned, they can go fark themselves.

Gunthr · « **Reply #41 on:** September 22, 2006, 08:57:39 AM »

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He returned the comment, "It just explains the importance of voting and how the machines work." I returned, "Oh, good isea" and left it at that.

No telling where I would be today had I told him I understand exactly what was on that card.

Now that was a long time ago (early 70's). I am sure the process has been improved since then. - Skuzzy

Just last Presidential election, I saw Democrat operatives (for lack of a better word) passing out folded pamphlets to black people. This was in Pompano Beach Florida. I saw one laying on the ground nearby and picked it up. On the front was printed "Black Voter's Guide" and inside it told who or what to cast the vote on for every single item. I was under the impression that this is legal if they are kept far enough away from the poll entrance, but I remember wondering what kind of outrage there would be if someone were handing out a "White People's Voting Guide." Anyway, I think it speaks to the issue...

Rolex · « **Reply #42 on:** September 22, 2006, 10:49:16 AM »

I don't doubt for a second that you saw it, Skuzzy. It's too bad that one, basic requirement for voting can't be adhered to. Maybe 'too bad' is too weak; it's disgraceful.

There must be a huge difference between seeing it first hand and reading or hearing about it. Like a dagger to the heart, I would imagine.

We have people voting who shouldn't be voting, and people who should be voting not voting for candidates who aren't worthy of being elected in the first place. It's like a bad movie.

TPIguy · « **Reply #43 on:** September 22, 2006, 11:03:26 AM »

All the illegals at work have ID cards and stolen SSN#'s already. They can vote all they want. The only illegals who don't have ID's already are probibly too lazy to vote anyway.

That said, last time I voted (in FL) I had to show my ID.

The only way to keep illegals from voting is to keep them out in the first place.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #44 on:** September 22, 2006, 11:15:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
I don't doubt for a second that you saw it, Skuzzy. It's too bad that one, basic requirement for voting can't be adhered to. Maybe 'too bad' is too weak; it's disgraceful.

There must be a huge difference between seeing it first hand and reading or hearing about it. Like a dagger to the heart, I would imagine.

We have people voting who shouldn't be voting, and people who should be voting not voting for candidates who aren't worthy of being elected in the first place. It's like a bad movie.

I did not elaborate on how I felt about that situation. But to sum it up. I felt like I was in a police state. I wish it were just a bad movie as the reality of it really hit hard.