lousy fights..

[Solar10]

Originally posted by lazs2
Yeah... I think one hour a day gameplay is a lot more representitive of gameplay for the majority than spending every free moment on.

I beleive that most people here have lives.  

You know, Lazs is right.  

However..second thoughts...  17993 post at 1 min each is 300 hrs.  Then add in the reading of all the posts and his stat researching of players and that could easily double.

 Dang Falc beat me to it.  lol

[indy007]

Originally posted by FALCONWING
im pretty sure i have da'd jaxxo before =)

but im always up for another!!

was in there witht him last night and when i came back afk he had logged..mebbe tonite!!

grab me jaxxo...you too indy!!:aok

I'll try on Friday if I can. Tonight is one of my Warcraft raid nights, plus a wedding saturday, wings over houston airshow sunday.

I don't get to play enough

[lazs2]

bet you guys read more posts than I do.   I didn't come into this forum but for a few times untill recently.  Not for years anyway..

I have what?  solar says 300 hours posting... sounds right..  How many years have I been playing and posting and... with the same old handle for at least 10 years?  How many years playing does the average BK have compared to the average mega squad.   How many in the mega squads even have been here long enough for their voice to change?

My contention was that there is no staying power to the way the borgs fly.  it is boring and they end of leaving having never made much of an impression despite trying their hardest to grief the game.  new griefers replace em.

Not that many BK's fly at once... if there are four of us I feel like we are cheating.   I can't imagine how having 30 of us on would be.   Same for some other squads like grimm.   To have that many and allways stay in one squad and require you stay one country and have a mandatory squad nite...  Sheesh... it would be boring as hell... we would get worse and.... we would have "rank"

I would suggest that some of you fuzz faced girl voiced mega squad guys get out and see the world.   your heros are conning you.   It could be better.   Other people exist in the game..


overlag... I like a good furball that is pretty even numbers too... what is your point?    I like the action.  In an hour or so a good low alt furball with lots of numbers is the way to go.

I still contend that most people who subscribe (at least after they have been on a year or more)  do it as I do.. that is, about an hour a day average over the month... some nites 2 or three hours or a couple hours at a time on weekends...   Not 100 or more in a formation of little old ladies chatting and pretending to be on a "missunz"  and then...

LOL... in a game full of real people in cartoon planes... these chat room denizens... avoid all the "other" players and attack.....  toolsheds!   They have as a goal.... to take a field?   A field that may go back and forth in a week 5 times and in a game where the war is seldom "won" and even if it is...  it is simply reset..

What kind of a mindset doesn't see the futility?  the only thing I can think is that it is the chat room they are on for.

As for rank...  I will add that furball is ranked like 500 or something... do you really think that any bop could win even 1 in ten fights with him?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Major Biggles]

Originally posted by Overlag
to YOU it is.. but id get rather BORED flying low and slow in a furball getting cherried... or ganged all the time. my idea of a good fight is 1on1 or at least equal numbers, most "furballs" are people having a good fight, and a few stealing kills or ruining other peoples fights, so i avoid furbals.




If it was so much fun why do you only do it one hour a day?

im not lazs, but i play in a very similar way, and so, this is what i think:

playing one or two hours a day is usually the maximum amount of time i can play each night, maybe an hour of that might be in the MA's and perhaps another hour in the TA helping guys learn how to fight properly. the guys that play 6 hours a day or so, i expect, must be jobless, where do they find the time?!

as for furballs, there is nothing i enjoy more in AH than diving into a furball, with stupid odds, in a crap plane...

am i going to die? hell yes, but im going to have great fun doing it. if you're dying too easily in a furball, it's because your situational awareness needs work, and perhaps some brushing up on your reversals. i'd be happy to show you some stuff if you want to meet in the TA sometime, open offer to anyone in AH, i love teaching...

the only reason that i can think people here hate dying, is because they care about their rank and all that crud. personally, if someone kills me in a furball before i go bingo fuel or ammo and have to RTB, they save me a boring return trip to my field.

it's all about what you like doing of course, but people really do get to worked up about dying, about their k/d ratio and all that nonsense.

take a look through the score pages of all the real 'aces' that you can think of, most of them have crappy k/d ratios, usually in the region of 2.5 or less, but you know that they could take on pretty much anyone, or even a group of anyones, and come out on top, without a scratch.

rank means nothing, so dont worry about it!

[FALCONWING]

Biggles..the difference between you and lazs is that you dont come here and tell everyone else how much they suck because they dont play your way....

instead you even offer to help folks to improve:aok

as for furballing...noone has ever suggested there is anything wrong with it...in fact if wasnt labelled a toolshedder borg etc i would have considered myself a fiter first and others second...i dont even know how to bomb:D

and when lazs loooks only at "time in fiter mode" as a measure of how much someone fiters then it again reveals how utterly out of touch he is with the game and gameplay...almost all my sorties and others in "attack mode" are in fiters...many folks dont switch back and forth and whatever mode the fiter they select happens to be in is how their sortie is scored by the game.  not too many non-fiters can be flown in attack mode. i personally use fiter mode when i fly alone and try to stay alive. i use attack for "furballing" and dfending.  my low k/d in attack is beacuse almost half my deaths are me trying to up a capped field or flying into horrible numbers.

lazs cant see how he is a bigger griefer then anyone he has ever called a griefer....and when an 18000 post poster calls someone with 200 posts a "chatrooom denizen" then i must again press the worn "Lazs is full of BS button" and rub his nose in the mess he continues to make in the house.

there are 2 different reasons/ways to play this game...instant fun and longer term strategic fun....throw in community friendships and voila you have a great game we can all thank hitech for:aok

if i want instant killing then i play xbox or log onto a tribes server and load up a hevy and start mortaring away.  but i dont tell guys who play the game as team that they suck and can never be good because they dont treat it like a 1v1 arcade.  instead i respect that that is not my interest and find an area that allows me my fun. i dont scream at them to break up their teams so i can kill the way i want to.  i recognize that without those longer term committed players..there would be no arena with numbers for me to log into since i am not willing to commit the time it takes to maintain that community.

so, in short, yes i think BoPS and other squads and other solo guys who play tons of hours a campaign ARE the real community of AH!!!  if all of us non-l33t left the game, it would have died off long ago and not be there for the 3 hour a week guys to relax in.  How about just saying "thanks" "hi how ya doing" or "".  or if that is too much to ask..how about just saying nothing....

[FALCONWING]

Originally posted by Major Biggles

the only reason that i can think people here hate dying, is because they care about their rank and all that crud. personally, if someone kills me in a furball before i go bingo fuel or ammo and have to RTB, they save me a boring return trip to my field.

--snip--

take a look through the score pages of all the real 'aces' that you can think of, most of them have crappy k/d ratios, usually in the region of 2.5 or less, but you know that they could take on pretty much anyone, or even a group of anyones, and come out on top, without a scratch.

rank means nothing, so dont worry about it!

biggles....again dont be closeminded as to how some will apporach a game called "a ww2 flight sim."  im sure there are a lot of dead reallife pilots who could outturn anyone in flight school and died getting picked in a bad SA furball.  Im pretty sure none of the top aces of the war did any such thing...in fact low speed low alt enagements were the exception not the rule in ww2...

Boom-N-Zoom tactics including ho's were much more common and numbers definitely often dictated how an engagement would turn out...as well as of couurse the type of planes each side hads in the engagment (believe it or not they both wouldnt fly spit1's )  guees what made yeager and anderson great pilots???  if you believe anderson in his book it was their superior eyesight which allowed them to  spot enemy planes in advance and get position.

so if someone chooses to empahsize k/d as a measure of their abilities then why be negative?  i understand it is not your idea of fun...but that IS the absolute beauty of this game...there aso many wonderful ways you can choose to fly and fight or not:aok   why not just talk about how great yours is without criticizing others?

and to answer your other musing....i believe that bruv, danodano, myself, and other top 25 ranked pilots would wipe up the behinds of guys who dont do anything but "furball". if for no other reason..time spent playing daily in the game...i have better fiter skills because i dogfight more and kill more then many of the l33t.  i also have to do "useless" things like merge, bleed e, throttle control, high speed snapshots and use higher speed flaps (also since im not always on the deck i even have another dimension to maneuver in "DOWN")... so the DA is intimidating to them because you cant just master the low speed turn and knifefighting and beat someone.

so "no" rank does not mean anything but it also doesnt mean nothing:aok

[lazs2]

I know biggles gets it... I have fought him.  He has fought most of the guys who do like the action.

I also agree that you would need a bunch of hero worshiping kids or unemployed to get people to play by the mega squad rules... I think you do them a disservice.

I admire biggles for offering to train...  I would but I simply am a lousy teacher... Once someone in the "community" came by the house and wanted to watch me fly in Ah.. I had told him that I didn't use much rudder.  he said that I was constantly working the rudders... How am I gonna teach?

I will say this tho... since the change at least 6 and probly 12 guys have asked to "join" my plane.  I allways accept.   If that is offering to help then I am helping.   I also will bet that they wouldn't agree with flac that "lazs is full of bs"  about what and how I say I am fighting.

I am not a good teacher tho... no illusions about that.  If a guy is a rank nebie I might be able to help a little but I fear that I would just confuse him... better he just films fights and rides along... that sort of thing.

No matter how you cut it....  you are gaming the game if you have a mega squad... the rules were 32.. there must have been a reason for that...  if you game it you are a griefer and don't deserve any respect for how you play.   It is no different than any of the other rules that can be gotten around and...

If you have a squad that is ridged with rules and punishments and full of newbies....  

You aren't helping the "community" a bit... you are creating a slum.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[DaPup]

Somehow I don't think his saying your full of BS has anything to do with how you fly

[FALCONWING]

^^^

ding ding ding....we have winner!!!!!:aok

again lazs...please explain for us peeps how the DA does not satisfy what you say you want form the game (i.e. no toolshedders, no win the war...etc)

enquiring minds want to know!!!! (or maybe they just want to out you

)

[Major Biggles]

Originally posted by FALCONWING
biggles....again dont be closeminded as to how some will apporach a game called "a ww2 flight sim."  im sure there are a lot of dead reallife pilots who could outturn anyone in flight school and died getting picked in a bad SA furball.  Im pretty sure none of the top aces of the war did any such thing...in fact low speed low alt enagements were the exception not the rule in ww2...

Boom-N-Zoom tactics including ho's were much more common and numbers definitely often dictated how an engagement would turn out...as well as of couurse the type of planes each side hads in the engagment (believe it or not they both wouldnt fly spit1's )  guees what made yeager and anderson great pilots???  if you believe anderson in his book it was their superior eyesight which allowed them to  spot enemy planes in advance and get position.

so if someone chooses to empahsize k/d as a measure of their abilities then why be negative?  i understand it is not your idea of fun...but that IS the absolute beauty of this game...there aso many wonderful ways you can choose to fly and fight or not:aok   why not just talk about how great yours is without criticizing others?

and to answer your other musing....i believe that bruv, danodano, myself, and other top 25 ranked pilots would wipe up the behinds of guys who dont do anything but "furball". if for no other reason..time spent playing daily in the game...i have better fiter skills because i dogfight more and kill more then many of the l33t.  i also have to do "useless" things like merge, bleed e, throttle control, high speed snapshots and use higher speed flaps (also since im not always on the deck i even have another dimension to maneuver in "DOWN")... so the DA is intimidating to them because you cant just master the low speed turn and knifefighting and beat someone.

so "no" rank does not mean anything but it also doesnt mean nothing:aok

im not close minded, i let peeps do what they will, just adding my 2 cents, sorry if i came across as whining or too harsh, was trying to add an opinion

thing is, this is a game. i do BnZ and stuff sometimes, but if i die a lot, who cares? it IS a game afterall...

and to answer your answer to my musing:

i have beaten dano and bruv millions of times (i actually kinda gave bruv a tour of AH on his first few days, flew with him a bit and whatnot, and i taught kazaa how to fight in the TA), and i remember handing you your arse in the DA three times in a row, under a different name of course (yes, it's poo ). i beat all the ranked guys regularly. infact, i had a fighter rank of 15 or 12 or something two tours ago, (yes i'm a dweeb, i checked my score!:D ) doesnt mean that i dont get killed all the time because im a lazy muppet, not watching, or getting sloppy

anyways, im not even sure what im talking about anymore rofl.

wasnt attacking you guys or anything, just adding my opinions




oh, and lazs, my squad has two wings because we cant fit us all in. it's not the numbers of the squads, but their huge manditory squad nights that mess up the arenas

[FALCONWING]

ahhh poo

and yes you did whack me

but i would love a rematch!!!

my point remains bro..no one is cheating (tho according to lazs definition of a gamer you are now a gamer for being part of a squad withmore then 32 members:lol )  if you want more of a certain type of gameplay..find like minded individuals and organize it!!!  he wont..but instead thinks that by making everyone else quit or conform that THAT is somehow leadership.


look forward to seeing you in the air more:aok

[SlapShot]

believe that bruv, danodano, myself, and other top 25 ranked pilots would wipe up the behinds of guys who dont do anything but "furball"

I have run into all of them ... good fighters ... but nothing special going on there.

And to re-iterate what you said ... "so "no" rank does not mean anything ..."

[indy007]

Originally posted by FALCONWING
my point remains bro..no one is cheating (tho according to lazs definition of a gamer you are now a gamer for being part of a squad withmore then 32 members:lol )  if you want more of a certain type of gameplay..find like minded individuals and organize it!!!  he wont..but instead thinks that by making everyone else quit or conform that THAT is somehow leadership.

Actually I don't think you've answered the question as to why you would  organize something with the intention of violating the games rules.

If the entire arena format was changed because of that type of behavior... then how is it a good thing to have a mega-squad?

[FALCONWING]

hmmm...not sure i see what the bigger point is here indy?

if the a group of peeps like hanging out with each other then who cares whether they have similar squadron id's or not? the effect is the same?

and please show me the "rule" that says you cant hang out with more then 32 peeps?  i mean a written rule...something that about 15 squads have "violated" please? im pretty sure if you violate a rule you get kicked out of the game?

now what i think you and laz are referring too is that for programming or other reasons (perhaps ww2 historical numbers) the number 32 has been chosen for number on a roster.  i will reread my AH manual to see where we are in violation.  many more then 50+ can be on a vox channel, text channel so there is no limitation imposed on how many can work together?

again i think this is just another weak attempt to try and find something wrong with someone else's fun...try sticking with bigger topics if you can find any strength to the arguments.  i have enjoyed wrecking lazs "skill level" "gameplay" "fun" arguments..i guess you guys are stuck with this and attacking specific squad "rules" as your last resort..

i note a bomber "formation" is limited to 3 planes...when 20+ plane buff misssions launch and form portective boxes are they "gaming" the game?

[FALCONWING]

Originally posted by SlapShot
believe that bruv, danodano, myself, and other top 25 ranked pilots would wipe up the behinds of guys who dont do anything but "furball"

I have run into all of them ... good fighters ... but nothing special going on there.

And to re-iterate what you said ... "so "no" rank does not mean anything ..."

agreed slapshot....rank means little but similarly to denigrate people who have a good rank is silly as well...i have never insulted someone because of rank good or bad.

again i say...try , "heya how ya doing" or  

would be a nicer way to go about playing a game..no?