North Korea appears to have gone ahead and done it...

[Debonair]

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[lukster]

Originally posted by Chairboy
The same way you get pregnant while using a condom.

Leaks.

Someone should warn the kid in Rip's caption this.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by -Concho-
Overlag is either a worthless troll or lazy.

He posts contradiction after contradiction, but never backs up his opinion.

the country has been under economic sanctions since the end of the NK/SK war , and STILL its able to produce nukes, and it still has a crack pot leader.

Iraq had been under sanctions since 1991 (maybe before) but we still had a reason to invade the country later (even though it turned out not true)


Sanctions only punish Joe public, not crazy leaders. NK leader still has everything he wants, much like Saddam did......

by putting the country under more sanctions you are:

1: risking the life's of millions of Koreans (economic genocide)
2: going to piss him off more, giving him more reason to do what hes doing



oh yeah, and Japan was under Sanctions as well.... and look what she did.....

Originally posted by -Concho-
The same thing we did in the 1st gulf war.

After seeing many of the batteries around them get wiped out, Iraqi arty just quit shooting for fear of drawing fire.

edit to add:  I promise if NK has a conventional threat we have a contengecy plan for it.

those batteries was "units" of easy to spot artillery tanks.

NK's are hidden inside encasement's, caves and what not. I really don't see how USA's army is going to be able to move its self, from Iraq/Afghanistan, all the way over to SK, then pin point all those artillery pieces within a week, let alone a day.

then, as i said, some of them cannons are able to fire shells large enough to carry small nukes.... even if 1 of them landed it would be enough.

I'm not saying NK will win, but i'm just telling you that those fantastic US artillery units will not be able to kill NK's  units before Seoul is Leveled...

[-Concho-]

Counter Battery Radar

you don't think that there be atleast one of the units like the one in the article above in SK?

You don't think that ther might be one or more ATG squadrons in SK?

you don't have much of a grip on US capabilities.

[bj229r]

Fine--we kill EVERY gun after it fires its FIRST round=== that's 15 THOUSAND rounds of 150mm (or whatever the Chinese or Russians sold them with our food money) fired at Seoul. Prolly mess it up a TEENY bit

[-Concho-]

who says they have 15000 guns?  the NK?

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Overlag
then, as i said, some of them cannons are able to fire shells large enough to carry small nukes.... even if 1 of them landed it would be enough.

Do you have any idea what sort of advancement it takes to produce a shell that small? The North Koreans just detonated their first weapon, in history. It took the Americans, and the Russians, years to get to the point where they could build one small enough to fit down the barrel of an artillery piece. And besides those two nations, I don't know of any others that currently have this capability. And if any do, I'm willing to bet that they've had the bomb for more than a week. Just because North Korea's first test was likely a small one doesn't mean that the package it came in was small.

If you're gonna be paranoid about this, and argue over the validity of this specific line of reasoning, why don't you argue for something just a little more likely, and relevent. Argue that the North Koreans have a 10 megaton hydrogen bomb waiting for us. Argue that they have a 100kt strategic nuke(which, incidentally, would also fit in a 38ft crate, and would be, well, about 100 times more effective than a tiny micro warhead) on the tip of a missile that's pointing at us. I think it's pretty safe to say that they would develope either, or both, before going into something as specialized as a tiny tactical nuke.

[-Concho-]

as bob said, I would be far more concered about bio/chem warfare than nukes.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by -Concho-
who says they have 15000 guns?  the NK?

He did:D

Originally posted by Overlag
the problem is, theres like 15000 pieces aimed at Seoul.... and nukes can be launched by cannons....

Also here:

http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/currentconflicts/a/koreanmilitary_2.htm

Artillery

North Korea has an estimated 13,000 artillery sites stationed in secure bunkers, many of which are aimed at targets in and around the South Korean capital, Seoul. Such a large collection of artillery could potentially drop 300,000 shells per hour on the city.
Indeed, the presence of such a large force is seen by many as a significant threat. However, due to the fact that U.S. officials believe every fourth round has a chemical tip, the artillery arm of the DPRK military could inflict a considerable amount of casualties upon the population of South Korea.

Now WHERE would we get Hyundai parts from THEN????

[-Concho-]

this is a lot and I'm not saying it won't be bad, but we have some very impressive couter battery techniques that will tear them up as soon as they start.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by bj229r
He did:D



Also here:

http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/currentconflicts/a/koreanmilitary_2.htm
North Korea has an estimated 13,000 artillery sites stationed in secure bunkers, many of which are aimed at targets in and around the South Korean capital, Seoul. Such a large collection of artillery could potentially drop 300,000 shells per hour on the city.

oops.... i always over exaggerate size/numbers

Originally posted by -Concho-
this is a lot and I'm not saying it won't be bad, but we have some very impressive couter battery techniques that will tear them up as soon as they start.

but are they sitting there, ready for action?

[-Concho-]

same site

Final Assessment
In the event that the world witnesses a second Korean War, all indications point to the high probability that the conventional forces of the North would prove to be a mere paper tiger. Certainly their numbers are significant. However, the technological superiority of the U.S. based weapons systems would eventually eliminate this advantage.

The greatest threat comes from the weapons of mass destruction contained in the North Korean arsenal. And while it is doubtful that the DPRK would be able to deliver any WMD outside of the Korean peninsula via their missile system, the fact remains that the South could be decimated by a massive biological / chemical attack.

In addition to this, the humanitarian track record of the Kim Jong-il regime is quite poor - therefore, it is entirely within the realm of possibility for the North to utilize WMDs within their own borders to severely hamper the advance of any invasion force. All in all, the dynamic of a second Korean War would be radically different from the nature and course of the first Korean War.

[Overlag]

theres also the fact that NK troops dont even have uniform.... (a UK newspaper posted pictures of troops in just there baggy boxers lol)

if they cant afford uniform, how are they going to get guns?

[Overlag]

Originally posted by -Concho-


you don't have much of a grip on US capabilities.

yeah.... a army that's overstretched and stuck in Afghanistan, and Iraq...and has no conscription, so very small troop numbers.


sure, they have some great planes, and warships, but troops win wars.

[-Concho-]

Originally posted by Overlag
yeah.... a army that's overstretched and stuck in Afghanistan, and Iraq...and has no conscription, so very small troop numbers.


sure, they have some great planes, and warships, but troops win wars.

Wrong again.

US Overseas Deployment

World 540,076  

Rest-of-World [all but USA] 146,507  

United States 393,569  
 

That dosen't count active or inactive reserves either.