so long habeus corpus.

[Debonair]

what a selfish bastard (no offense intended to FBDs), too bad it's obvious nothing happened to him (other than choirboy sex) cause that poem is in teh past tense

[Chairboy]

Me sex? What?  Did it happen again?

[lazs2]

viking... I believe the quote you make has impact because it is about nazis coming after their own citizens.

This may seem to be a minor difference to you but... it was their own government.

I would say that your quote would more aptly apply to the situations under a past administration where citizens were demonized and then hunted down and killed for no other reason than the breaking of minor laws that were probly not even constitutional in the first place.

I am refering to the murder of citizens at Ruby Ridge and Waco

lazs

[john9001]

"Except as provided in section 1005 of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination." §1005(e)(1), 119 Stat. 2742.



it says" of an alien ", no mention of citizens, you can sleep tonight, the neoconnazis are not going to break down your door.

[Chairboy]

Just out of curiousity, what's your opinion on Jose Padilla?  He's a US citizen.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Just out of curiousity, what's your opinion on Jose Padilla?  He's a US citizen.

Cite as: 542 U. S. ____ (2004) 23
Opinion of the Court
rules because the merits of this case are indisputably of “profound importance,” post, at 1, 7. But it is surely just as necessary in important cases as in unimportant ones that courts take care not to exceed their “respective juris-dictions” established by Congress.
The District of South Carolina, not the Southern Dis-trict of New York, was the district court in which Padilla should have brought his habeas petition. We therefore reverse the judgment of the Court of Appeals and remand the case for entry of an order of dismissal without prejudice.
It is so ordered.


my opinion is al quida should have hired a better attorney, the SC ruled that his attorney filed the petition in the wrong court, the SC sent it back to the court of appeals.

[RedTop]

One thing about it there Chair....My freedon of speech is just as good as yours. I even served to protect it. But you go on thinking your so much better a citizen than I.

The rest of you that don't agree...welcome to my world I guess.

Sad excuses the lot of ya.

Originally posted by Chairboy
snippet.....You're a sad excuse for a citizen, snippet....You are entitled to exactly as much respect as you showed, which is to say, none.

[Viking]

Originally posted by lazs2
viking... I believe the quote you make has impact because it is about nazis coming after their own citizens.

This may seem to be a minor difference to you but... it was their own government.

I would say that your quote would more aptly apply to the situations under a past administration where citizens were demonized and then hunted down and killed for no other reason than the breaking of minor laws that were probly not even constitutional in the first place.

I am refering to the murder of citizens at Ruby Ridge and Waco

lazs

It is correct that the poem refers to the Nazi persecutions of their own citizens. However, the same has happened in numerous countries. The "Untermensch" in Germany, the Holodomor Ukrainians in the Soviet Union, the "Keffer" in South-Africa, the "******s" and Communists in America, the "Tater" in Norway and so on and so forth.

What's common between all these crimes against humanity is that the government slowly but surely desensitized the population to the crimes by gradually implementing them legally and demonizing their victims in the media.

That is what I think is relevant about the poem.

The US government is implementing new laws to combat their "demons", but what will the next amendment of those laws bring, and who will those laws will be used against in the future? Perhaps you since you are somewhat of a rebel in spirit. By that time you will be isolated and demonized as a threat to America, making sure that few if any will speak up in your defense.

Edit: Added one of Norway's crimes for balance.

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by RedTop
One thing about it there Chair....My freedon of speech is just as good as yours. I even served to protect it. But you go on thinking your so much better a citizen than I.

The rest of you that don't agree...welcome to my world I guess.

Sad excuses the lot of ya.

Are you snippet?  Also, where did I say you didn't have freedom of speech?

[Viking]

Just to add a few thoughts Lazs: Your government (or rather the political party running it atm.) is running a huge demonizing/desensitizing campaign in the Republican controlled part of the media. Have you seen the Fox TV show "24"? Do you remember why Firefly was cancelled by Fox? Why are more and more guns being banned?

On their own each case is not so worrying and few people care, but when you put all of them in context the propaganda and agenda is obvious. There are no coincidences.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Viking
Why are more and more guns being banned?

 

i thought the republicans unbanned the "assault rifles" that the democrats had baned. also the repubs passed laws to protect gun mfg from frivolous and expensive lawsuits.

but i understand your point, the muslims haven't attacked Oslo yet, but your time will come.

[Seagoon]

Originally posted by JB88
it's been fun.

I agree entirely JB, this time Mr. Lincoln has gone entirely too far! I can't believe even the radical Republicans who control both houses will be able to support this. And all of this just to fight an unnecessary war we all know he provoked to further his own extremist political agenda.  And who is going to get rich in the end at the cost of so many lives? The industrialists and robber barons with contracts with the federal government that's who! Well you know that aside from the real rah-rah types the majority of the country don't support this war, and those demonstrations in New York are getting nasty, I think their will probably be riots if they try to institute a draft - and you know they are going to have to what with the losses in this hopelessly mismanaged affair.

Oh, and did I mention that the state's right to secede was a actually guaranteed by the Constitution? Why is no one alarmed at this unlawful enforcement of federalism?

I tell you, if Lincoln is allowed to get away with this gross abuse of power using war as a pretext, it will be the end of democracy in America! Thank you for pointing that out JB, someone else finally has the guts to stand up and say what I've been alarmed about for the last 145 years!

- SEAGOON

[JB88]

youve been worried that long?

wow.

[JB88]

at issue is federalism yes.  but not just on a local scale here in the US, rather it is a massive reorganization on a global scale, where federalism is renamed "globalism".

that is your next civil war sir.

so.  who exactly is the enemy again?

[Viking]

Originally posted by john9001
but i understand your point, the muslims haven't attacked Oslo yet, but your time will come.

I'm afraid that time has come and past long ago. Even in my tiny home town of only 50.000 people a Muslim nutbag tried to crash a plane in the town by attacking the crew with an axe. He was overpowered by the other passengers but it was a close call and both pilots received serious wounds. I've even personally been involved in a terror incident; in 1993 when I was in the army I stood guard at Gardemoen airport when a Tupolev landed having been hijacked by Muslim terrorists. Just recently a number of Muslim terror suspects have been arrested after they allegedly shot up a Jewish synagogue. They have revealed that they were going to assassinate prominent Norwegians like the Royal family and commit other acts of terror as well.

Like I've said earlier: Terror is nothing new in Europe.