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Offline Shuckins

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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2006, 04:28:51 PM »
While I have just as much sympathy for the ill and handicapped as the next person I have to ask the question, "Should their motives be exempt from scrutiny and criticism?"

There have been two films of Michael J. Fox aired recently on the news in relation to his stumping for a Democratic candidate in Missouri who favors stem cell research:  The first shows him preparing to testify before Congress, showing hardly a wiggle or tremor from his disease;  the second shows him in full campaign mode trembling and jerking violently.

So, which is the real Michael J. Fox?   Probably both.  In the second film he had quite obviously deliberately neglected to take his medicine for a couple of days to exaggerate the effects of his condition.  

If he is as well versed in stem cell research as he purports to be, Fox knows that stem cell research receives a considerable amount of funding from private sources....and that the research in embryonic stem cells has yet to produce a single cure for a disease of any kind.

Plugging for democrats who favor such research as opposed to Republicans who do not will have no effect whatsoever on the production of viable results in that research.  Adult stem cell research has produced far better results and is free of the ethical questions so intertwined with embryonic stem cell research.

I feel sorry for Fox and sincerely hope that a cure is found for his disease.  However, I'm convinced that his pleas and campaigning statements are self-serving and totally oblivious to the ethical and moral questions raised by the type of research he so vociferously favors.

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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2006, 05:40:50 PM »
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Originally posted by lukster
Of course it is perfectly legal in the US to conduct stem cell research, just not at taxpayer expense.

I'm talking about extended research of course. Some is being conducted on approved lines.


You notice how he doesn't respond to your point?  He just makes this an attack against conservatives.

again most don't realize

Most of the bans that have been put forth doesn't ban the act itself (stem cell research/abortions) it just bans the federal govt from paying for it.

The next response is likely to be some stupid remark about the price tag for the war in Iraq.....such predictable people liberals are

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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2006, 06:56:36 PM »
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
There has always been fanaticals trying to hold back the progress of science (and mankind).  Remember what was done to the people who claimed the sun was the center of the universe?

The absolute best stem cells come from embryos.  The other types are not as good, they can't differentiate as well.

What is our goal here, to save every single fetus?  No, our goal is to improve the quality of life for Americans.  50% of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions.  These so called babies are really nothing more than a glob of cells at the time.

The hypocracy here is that the same people who want to save every single fetus are the same ones who dont want to provide healthcare, don't want to provide education, and have the 'pull yourself up by your bootstrap' mentality.  Quality, not quantity.

So, in review, you leave the thinking to us, and we'll leave the beer drinking and church tithing to you.


Absolutely the stupidest thing I've seen in a while. (pardon if this a joke) There isn't a SINGLE instance of embryonic stem cells even being INJECTED into a human being-- as they cause 'tumoring' in rats, (among other nasty things) and they die quickly. On the other hand, there are over SIXTY ongoing clinical trials with ADULT stem cells, which are actually HELPING people. Embryonic stem cell research, as has been mentioned, isn't illegal, it's merely that tax payer dollars aren't going to be spent experimenting on dead fetuses--- in a country where the Ten Commandments can't be on the wall in a courtroom, you cannot expect pro-life Christians to help fund it.

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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2006, 07:37:43 PM »
Keep reading the propaganda.  Here is what the University of Wisconsin has to say about adult vs. embryonic stem cells:

 How might embryonic stem cells be used to treat disease?
The ability to grow human tissue of all kinds opens the door to treating a range of cell-based diseases and to growing medically important tissues that can be used for transplantation purposes. For example, diseases like juvenile onset diabetes mellitus and Parkinson's disease occur because of defects in one of just a few cells types. Replacing faulty cells with healthy ones offers hope of lifelong treatment. Similarly, failing hearts and other organs, in theory, could be shored up by injecting healthy cells to replace damaged or diseased cells.

Why not derive stem cells from adults?
There are several approaches now in human clinical trials that utilize mature stem cells (such as blood-forming cells, neuron-forming cells and cartilage-forming cells). However, because adult cells are already specialized, their potential to regenerate damaged tissue is very limited: skin cells will only become skin and cartilage cells will only become cartilage. Adults do not have stem cells in many vital organs, so when those tissues are damaged, scar tissue develops. Only embryonic stem cells, which have the capacity to become any kind of human tissue, have the potential to repair vital organs.

Again, the attempt for embryonic stem cell research funding is for embryos that are being tossed in the garbage.  All of you lining up against this need to be petitioning your congressmen to outlaw the in vitrio fertilization clinics, or demanding your local prosecutor to prosecute them for murder.  Don't forget, life begins at conception and ends at birth.  We are back to the imprisonment of Galileo here.  If this administration and its supporters don't like the science, they replace it with wishful thinking.
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« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2006, 08:08:03 PM »
We cant allow infants to be kidnapped and sold to mad labratories to have their brains used for research. Its just wrong. :confused:
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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2006, 08:15:53 PM »
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Originally posted by dhaus
Keep reading the propaganda.  Here is what the University of Wisconsin has to say about adult vs. embryonic stem cells:

opens the door...

offers hope...

in theory...

potential...

have the potential...

attempt...

and then the political message

If this administration and its supporters don't like the science, they replace it with wishful thinking.


Hmmmmm

sounds like the person that wrote this doesnt proof read because he is contradicting himself.  Sounds like until it is all a proven science it is all just wishfull thinking.  

But then again the author ingores completely the fact that no one has banned stem cell research.  Not one bit, but lets not use facts to muddy up the issue when we can use it politically to take a swipe at the great satin himself.

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« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2006, 09:13:07 PM »
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I wonder what will happen when chinese companies start their stem cell research and corporations over here need to keep up with the chinese.


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« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2006, 09:15:06 PM »
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Whoa, ethics play a huge part in science.  But a glob of cells is not a human.  I'm being realistic here.  If an early stage embryo can contribute to improving the quality of life here in America, I think we should follow through with it.

Its the hang-ups of christian conservatives who believe that a blastula is equivalent to a person who are delaying progress.  Yet they don't have much of a problem sending our sons and daughters into battle.


" The Left is so transparent: Nobody ever heard of this incredibly important research on human embryos until ten minutes ago. Yet everyone makes believe he's known about the undiscovered bounty in human embryos forever, and talks about it with real moral indignation. This whole debate is a hoax designed to trick Americans into yielding ground on human experimentation."

The left wants to experiement on fetus crops like Dr. Josef Mengele experimented on jews but this time its for "real" medical research and its ok...

Farming liberal sluts for early stage embryo's could be the next clintonesque era type boom in medical research.
 If we dont farm young liberal womens unwanted fetus's then china might do it then ohhh gosh we might loose our medical technolgical advantage....
 
The idea that on any given one night tryst any liberal bimbo can just call up the local embryo farm and just take care of the little Glob of cells for humanities sake in a few minutes, and in the next couple of days be right back out there without missing a beat producing more crop for science! yeah team!!

 How about an exit strategy for the liberal court ordered war on babies thats been being waged since Roe-vs- wade...10 million aborted babies...

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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2006, 11:21:45 PM »
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« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2006, 05:39:10 AM »
I am afraid mjf falls into the dem camp of smoke and mirrors along with cindy sheehan, foley and his emails, orielly and letterman, etc.. anything other than actually stating a plan if they are elected. Winning through smear tactics .. sad really. We should be in for another surprise or two from the dems btwn now and Sunday ...
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« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2006, 07:46:27 AM »
If the government doesn't want to pay for stem cell research, that's ok (we've got some more pressing issues right now IMO).

The question is - why doesn't the government want to pay for stem cell research?

If it's because of finances, priority, or the like - no problem.

If it's because of "morals" or religion or such, well, that's another story...  (I'd say "unconstitutional.")

Still, even if the gov't does want to rule based on religious values and thereby mirror the Middle East more and more each year, that's fine, so long as they continue to let scientists figure out stuff on their own dime.  Which, they seem to be doing?  So what's the big issue?  Enlighten me.
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« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2006, 07:49:33 AM »
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Originally posted by T0J0

 How about an exit strategy for the liberal court ordered war on babies thats been being waged since Roe-vs- wade...10 million aborted babies...



You're right.  Abortions never happened before Roe v. Wade and the world was a better place.

The pictures I could post if they wouldn't get me perma-banned.

"The War on Babies" is the best solution to a crummy situation.
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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2006, 07:50:56 AM »
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So what's the big issue?  Enlighten me.


11/06/2006 <- that's it in a nutshell
the dems are spewing whatever the polls state today will get them votes next Monday
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« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2006, 07:54:05 AM »
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11/06/2006 <- that's it in a nutshell
the dems are spewing whatever the polls state today will get them votes next Monday


True.  But this isn't exactly a democrat-exclusive tactic.
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« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2006, 08:01:23 AM »
true
but it is as far as stem cell research goes .. thus the mjf ads
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