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« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2006, 08:02:12 AM »
LOL Ive been hit with so many of these things in the last week I dont even blink at em anymore
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« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2006, 08:25:43 AM »
the US govt is funding stem cell research , the US govt is NOT funding EMBRYOINC stem cell research .   please try to keep it straight.

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« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2006, 10:08:21 AM »
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There have been two films of Michael J. Fox aired recently on the news in relation to his stumping for a Democratic candidate in Missouri who favors stem cell research:  The first shows him preparing to testify before Congress, showing hardly a wiggle or tremor from his disease;  the second shows him in full campaign mode trembling and jerking violently.

So, which is the real Michael J. Fox?   Probably both.  In the second film he had quite obviously deliberately neglected to take his medicine for a couple of days to exaggerate the effects of his condition.  


No. The abnormal movement (dyskinesia) is caused by the medication. With PD, a group of dopamine-producing cells in the brain die. This causes slow movement, rigidity, and tremor -- think Muhammad Ali. Treatment with drugs that increase dopamine initially help relieve these symptoms.

But with time, as more of the brain cells die, you need a higher and higher dose of medication to control the symptoms. And with higher doses come the side effects -- excess movement. With advanced disease, there is a very narrow dose window between not enough drug -- inability to move and too much drug --excess, abnormal movement.

Fox's abnormal movements are not from stopping his drug, it's from his blood level of the drug peaking too high -- peak dose dyskinesia. Although this appears obviously abnormal to viewers, most patients prefer this to their "off time" when they can hardly move or speak. For Fox to give an interview he has to take enough medication to be able to talk.

When he testified in congress 6 years ago, it was easier to control his signs with drugs. His disease has progressed a lot since then and he will eventually get to the point that drug will be ineffective at controlling the signs. He will become unable to maintain an upright posture, might develop dementia, and will die of some complication, such as pneumonia from inability to swallow normally.
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« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2006, 11:21:07 AM »
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 50% of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions.  


How about some facts to back that up....
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« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2006, 11:38:00 AM »
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You're right.  Abortions never happened before Roe v. Wade and the world was a better place.

The pictures I could post if they wouldn't get me perma-banned.

"The War on Babies" is the best solution to a crummy situation.


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« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2006, 11:45:34 AM »
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How about some facts to back that up....


"Spontaneous abortions, generally referred to as miscarriages, occur when an embryo or fetus is lost due to natural causes before the 20th week of development. Spontaneous abortions after the 20th week are generally considered to be preterm deliveries. Most miscarriages occur very early in a pregnancy. Between 10% and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, depending upon the age and health of the pregnant woman.[10]"

This article lists 10-50%, though I've always heard 50% as the general rule.

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« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2006, 01:06:48 PM »
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the US govt is funding stem cell research , the US govt is NOT funding EMBRYOINC stem cell research .   please try to keep it straight.


First, the current adminstration, under GW Bush, is the FIRST to fund embryonic stem cell research with federal dollars, with the only major stipulation being that the stem cells come from already existing lines.  In other words, no new embryos can be used in federally funded research.  Second, there are no federal laws preventing stem cell research on new cell lines...they just don't qualify for the federal funding.  This is done on moral grounds, reflecting the will of the people (that is what our government is supposed to do, and there's no constitutional question involved).  Thirdly, there is not a single clinical trial using embryonic stem cells currently underway, not because of a lack of money (US companies and research institutes have spent something on the order of 600 million on it so far, about three times what Great Britain spent during the same time period), but because none of the "promise" has panned out.  Adult and cord-blood stem cells treatments, on the other hand, have had dozens of clinical trials, with real people being treated with successful results.  Finally, MJF by his own admission did not read the Missouri proposal to change their state constitution backed by his candidate (the reason for his support of said candidate), and was unaware that the proposal also allows human cloning AND would make it illegal (i.e. unconstitutional) to create any laws that would limit any of these activities allowed in the proposal.  So yes, MJF is a tool.
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« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2006, 01:31:55 PM »
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embryonic stem cell research will not cure MJF's disease



How do you know this?  Are you a medical researcher?


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« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2006, 01:42:43 PM »
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First, the current adminstration, under GW Bush, is the FIRST to fund embryonic stem cell research with federal dollars, with the only major stipulation being that the stem cells come from already existing lines.  In other words, no new embryos can be used in federally funded research.  Second, there are no federal laws preventing stem cell research on new cell lines...they just don't qualify for the federal funding.  This is done on moral grounds, reflecting the will of the people (that is what our government is supposed to do, and there's no constitutional question involved).  Thirdly, there is not a single clinical trial using embryonic stem cells currently underway, not because of a lack of money (US companies and research institutes have spent something on the order of 600 million on it so far, about three times what Great Britain spent during the same time period), but because none of the "promise" has panned out.  Adult and cord-blood stem cells treatments, on the other hand, have had dozens of clinical trials, with real people being treated with successful results.  Finally, MJF by his own admission did not read the Missouri proposal to change their state constitution backed by his candidate (the reason for his support of said candidate), and was unaware that the proposal also allows human cloning AND would make it illegal (i.e. unconstitutional) to create any laws that would limit any of these activities allowed in the proposal.  So yes, MJF is a tool.


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« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2006, 01:54:09 PM »
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but it is as far as stem cell research goes .. thus the mjf ads



you do know that he also campaigns for Republicans, right?


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« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2006, 01:55:22 PM »
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Easiest solution you mean, education is too difficult.


I don't mean offense by this...  But I think you may be in need of an education regarding pre-legalized abortions in the USA...
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« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2006, 02:06:02 PM »
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you do know that he also campaigns for Republicans, right?


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« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2006, 09:04:14 PM »
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they just don't qualify for the federal funding.  This is done on moral grounds, reflecting the will of the people (that is what our government is supposed to do, and there's no constitutional question involved).    


BZZZT...Wrong.

Both the House and Senate approved the legislation....THAT was the will of the people....GWB Vetoed the Bill, which went AGAINST the WILL of the people, according to how the people's elected body voted.

Soooo....the will of the people as expressed through their direct representatives voted FOR the legislation.

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« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2006, 09:47:57 PM »
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
How do you know this?  Are you a medical researcher?


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THIS lady is:
http://www.nationalreview.com/interrogatory/interrogatory022601a.shtml

Some accompishments of adult stem cells:

http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/bioethics/facts/a0035420.cfm

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Tangible Therapies for Today

Acute Myloid Leukemia – Sixteen-year-old Nathan Salley is alive today, thanks to stem cells from umbilical cord blood. Nathan told a congressional subcommittee, "I am living proof that there are promising and useful alternatives to embryonic stem cell research. . . . Embryonic stem cell research did not save me – cord blood research did."2

Diabetes – Eleven out of 15 Type 1 diabetes patients are "completely off insulin" after receiving adult pancreatic cell transplants.3

Diabetes – Researchers at Harvard Medical School used animal adult stem cells to grow new islet cells to combat diabetes. Researcher Denise Faustman recalled, "It was astonishing! We had reversed the disease without the need for transplants." Plans for human trials are underway.4

Heart Disease – German heart specialist Bodo Eckehard Strauer successfully treated a heart patient using stem cells from the man's bone marrow: "Even patients with the most seriously damaged hearts can be treated with their own stem cells instead of waiting and hoping on a transplant," Dr. Strauer explained.5

Heart Disease - "Four out of five seriously sick Brazilian heart-failure patients no longer needed a heart transplant after being treated with their own stem cells." 6

Heart Disease - “Patients with heart failure experienced a marked improvement after being given injections of their own stem cells,” thanks to research at the University of Pittsburgh. 7

Heart Disease - Dr. Eduardo Marban, chief of cardiology at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, called the use of adult stem cells to treat failing hearts, “[t]he single most exciting development in cardiology in the last decade.” 8

Multiple Sclerosis (MS) – Thirty-six-year old Susan Stross is one of more than 20 MS patients whose conditions have remained steady or improved after receiving an adult stem cell transplant. The same results are reported with several hundred patients worldwide.9

Multiple Sclerosis (MS) - Research conducted by Dr. Mark Freedman at the University of Ottawa suggests that most of the 32 MS patients in the trial “experienced clinical stabilization or improvement of symptoms.” 10

Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma – Forty-year-old Mark Fulford was not a match for a conventional bone marrow transplant, so doctors turned to stem cells found in umbilical cord blood. "There are people alive now who wouldn't have been without this, and I'm living proof."11

Paralysis/Spinal Cord Injury - There are nearly 60 documentable cases of quadripelgic and parapelgic patients who have regained some mobility, bladder control, and sensation in their limbs after recieving adult stem cell transplants from cord blood, bone marrow, and nasal tissue. Here are 5 of those success stories:

After sustaining paralyzing spinal cord injuries, Susan Fajt, Laura Dominguez and Erica Nader of the U.S. are each regaining muscle control and walking with the aid of braces due to stem-cell transplants from their own nasal cavities conducted in Portugal. Six paralyzed Russian patients are also walking thanks to a similar therapy. 12

Maria da Graca Pomeceno of Brazil regained her ability to walk and talk after a bone marrow stem-cell transplant from her pelvis. 13

Treatment using stem cells derived from umbilical cord blood allow Hwang Mi-Soon of South Korean to walk again with the aid of a walker. “This is already a miracle for me,” says Mi-Soon. 14

Parkinson’s Disease - A California man with Parkinson's disease experienced more than an 80 percent reduction in his symptoms after he received an injection of his own neuronal (brain) stem cells. Dennis Turner says before the treatment, “I couldn’t put my contact lenses in without a big problem. Now it’s not problem.” 15

Sickle Cell Anemia – In his struggle against sickle cell anemia, seventeen-year old Keone Penn experienced suicidal thoughts before an umbilical cord blood transplant cured him of the disease. Today, Penn says, “Sickle cell is now part of my past…Cord blood saved my life.” 16

Stroke - Catholic University of Korea researchers report “great improvement in the paralysis symptoms and speech disorders” in three of five stroke patients who received transplants with their own bone marrow stem cells. 17

Stroke - Brazilian doctors will test a similar treatment on 15 patients after encouraging results with one stroke patient. 18

Promise for Tomorrow

Reports of "Master Stem Cell" discoveries –

    "A stem cell has been found in adults that can turn into every single tissue in the body. It might turn out to be the most important cell ever discovered."19

    Researchers at New York University School of Medicine announced, "There is a cell in the bone marrow that can serve as the stem cell for most, if not all, of the organs in the body. . . . This study provides the strongest evidence yet that the adult body harbors stem cells that are as flexible as embryonic stem cells."20

    McGill University researchers discover "stem cells deep in the skin of rats and humans that can become fat, muscle or even brain cells. . . . Scientists are driven by the hope of bringing science closer to treatments for spinal cord injuries, juvenile diabetes, heart disease and brain disorders — treatments made from patients' own cells."21

    These are stem cells from adult bone marrow that do not trigger rejection, "even after the cells differentiate into specialized tissues such as bone or fat." The "cells seem to go only to damaged areas . . . (turning) into heart muscle, blood vessels, and fibrous tissue." 22


In addition to these studies, ongoing research has demonstrated the flexibility of adult stem cells to change into every cell type of the body. For more information, see What the Media Won't Tell You About Stem Cell Research.
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« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2006, 10:29:30 PM »
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"Spontaneous abortions, generally referred to as miscarriages, occur when an embryo or fetus is lost due to natural causes before the 20th week of development. Spontaneous abortions after the 20th week are generally considered to be preterm deliveries. Most miscarriages occur very early in a pregnancy. Between 10% and 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, depending upon the age and health of the pregnant woman.[10]"

This article lists 10-50%, though I've always heard 50% as the general rule.


Where is the article from?
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