princeton hacks a diebold machine. tells how.

[lukster]

It's natural to feel threatened by an all knowing government but the fact remains that the vast majority of honest, self-supporting citizens are already very easily identified by our government. A national id card could simply be standardized nationally but issued by each state and only the issuing state maintains the database. You want to work you need one of these cards or a green card, same for voting, well, except the green card.

[Chairboy]

I'd like a combination electronic/paper system.  Electronic voting with a printed ticket that's visible through a little glass window.   You vote, you confirm your vote on screen, and a continuous feed printer under a window shows the vote as it was printed, and only shows YOUR vote.  This way, if there's a request for a recount, there's a paper trail that can be used.

[Debonair]

Originally posted by JB88
[...i think that it is a worthwhile study and i hope that those who respond to this post will refrain from throwing out party line.

imho.  how we elect our leaders is important and its honesty is imperative.

but that's just me.

thanks.

88

O RLY?

NO WAI!!!!!

lmao u r teh naiivest!!!11

[JB88]

Originally posted by Debonair
O RLY?

NO WAI!!!!!

lmao u r teh naiivest!!!11

your shoe is untied.

[Debonair]

thats not my leg

[JB88]

those aren't pillows.

[Debonair]

i hope not:eek: john candy has been dead a long time:O

[moot]

What's the gist of why ID cards are needed?  
Why is it not sufficient anymore to just take 30sec and physically vote, and have said vote counted?

Relying on electronics is begging for hacking.

[lasersailor184]

That's very odd, the story on their web page is broken.  I re-searched from their page and it wasn't moved.



Anyway, I've been reading up on the touch screen machines.  After heavy use, their calibration gets off.  So while you may push the button for democrat, it registers republican underneath.  Those one quarter of american who are retards (Southpark 2006) will automatically assume that this means they are trying to be cheated.  However, had they pushed the Republican button, it would have registered Libertarian (just taking the wild guess that it reads off demo-repub-libert-green-indep).

The problem can be solved by recalibrating the touch screen.


or going office space on all of the new machines and using the old ones which are perfectly fine and have worked for a long time.

[lukster]

Originally posted by moot
What's the gist of why ID cards are needed?  
Why is it not sufficient anymore to just take 30sec and physically vote, and have said vote counted?

Relying on electronics is begging for hacking.

ID cards can be required of people to work and vote and can help prevent others who have no right to do either from doing so. I've stood in line for more than an hour to vote. No biggie but if there is a more efficient way to do so while ensuring a reliable system I'm all for it.

[moot]

What's wrong with the laws and logistics already in place for those two (working & voting)?

Looks like a time management problem on the voting booth side (as opposed to the user on the other side of the vote) is the problem to address, not the physical voting recipient.
Having a human cashier on top of all the transaction decisions, in real-time, is safer than replacing it with a self-serve register bot transacting away unsupervised.

It would all be a non-issue if electronics weren't such a gaping security hole.
Regular voting is already corrupted, cf. Skuzzy's anecdote.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

I guess those who oppose a national id never in their life paid anything using a credit card or a cash card in the shop.

Or worry about being thrown to jail because 'John Smith' from Illinois was sentenced and put to APB. Hey it's the OTHER John Smith.. no wait I have no id to prove it.

[moot]

I'm not opposed to ID, but extraneous elements in any design.
Why aren't driver's licenses and passports enough to identify yourself to vote and get hired?

The credit card I use 90% of the time has my face on it.

[-dead-]

Here's another disturbing video on election hacking:
Testimony of Clint Curtis to Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee

Electronic voting is fine, so long as the machine gives you a manually auditable, anonymous paper receipt that the voter gets to check before sticking in a ballot box. Without the paper trail it's just too easy to change the numbers, and there's no chance of a meaningful recount.

Urchin, if you enjoyed The Best Democracy Money Can Buy try his latest book, Armed Madhouse.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Originally posted by moot
I'm not opposed to ID, but extraneous elements in any design.
Why aren't driver's licenses and passports enough to identify yourself to vote and get hired?

The credit card I use 90% of the time has my face on it.

In Finland people have social security numbers which identify your person. This number is your registration to social services as well as national id. It's consisted of your birth date and a four digit personal code. This code is used as a security code when doing credit purchases in the shops, internet banking etc. meaning that if someone manages to rip off your credit card he also needs to know the four digits from the ssid before he can make purchases larger than $60 in any shop.

It also makes dealing with government officials easy, as you can verify yourself on phone by giving the id. It simplifies things in so many ways that I could never believe many other countries didn't have the system. Of course there are downsides too, it can be used for identity theft. There have been a couple cases where people's id's have been stolen by emptying pensioners etc. mailboxes and opening their mail. The dole etc. papers always list this code. But so far the advantages far outweigh the downsides.