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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2006, 06:19:05 PM »
The entire biomass of the ocean is roughly equal to the biomass produced on land.  However, alot more of the oceans biomass is edible than that produced on land.

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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2006, 11:28:40 PM »
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funny thing is, is that liberals will always come out on the side of the netters,

must be because they hate sport fisherman so much...
Hmm, I thought National Geographic was a pretty mainstream scientific source. I didn't realise that the study had to be done by registered republicans to be considered valid science.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2006, 06:13:05 AM »
It probably needs to be paid for by the biggest fishing companies to be valid. :D
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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2006, 08:45:57 AM »
I was actually surprised to see this thread, given recent success locally (Texas Gulf coast, over the last couple of decades) with the recovery of important sportfishing species. We had almost no red drum left 30 years ago, and now they abound. Snook, a species many thought at one time were on the road to extinction, are now reappearing all along the Texas coast. Heck, we're even seeing an upsurge in alligators.

Significantly, since I mention predatory species who are at the top of the marine food chain, this indicates similar health below them in the food chain - shellfish and species like pinfish, mullet, etc., plus what those food-for-fish critters eat. The top of the food chain doesn't thrive unless what's below it thrives as well.

Then I googled the story, and found another source ( LINK   ) that showed a slightly different POV in the way it reported the story. Here's a quote:

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Disaster can still be averted, scientists say

"The good news is that it is not too late to turn things around," Worm said. The scientists studied 48 areas worldwide that have been protected to improve marine biodiversity. "We see that diversity of species recovered dramatically, and with it the ecosystem's productivity and stability."

Researchers studied a variety of information in four meta-analyses, progressing from local to regional and global scales.

First, they analyzed 32 marine experiments that manipulated species diversity on small, local scales, and monitored the effects. Second, researchers tracked the 1,000-year-long history of change in species diversity and associated services across 12 coastal regions around the world. These included Chesapeake, Delaware, Massachusetts, Galveston, San Francisco Bay and Pamlico Sound (all U.S.), The Bay of Fundy and Gulf of St. Lawrence (Canada), The Adriatic, Baltic and North Seas (Europe), as well as Moreton Bay (Australia). Sources included archives, fishery records, sediment cores and archeological data.


National Geographic didn't emphasize this aspect of the story as clearly. The gist is that what the scientist (Worm) is trying to say is that there's a dangerous trend but also varied evidence worldwide that shows its clearly feasible to reverse it.

The sky isn't falling after all :)

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« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2006, 11:21:54 AM »
I did'nt see where it said it was'nt reversable. I thought the point was if we did'nt take action to stop the trend soon, it would be.
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« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2006, 12:10:09 PM »
Good thing everyone read the link I provided.  So I'll provide it again.


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« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2006, 11:16:48 PM »
Laser, I bet you can find a Phillip Morris report that says smoking isn't harmful.
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« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2006, 11:29:58 PM »
dont sweat it fellas, some day you will all be dead and this subject really wont matter.
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« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2006, 11:30:53 PM »
Laser, let the biologists do the thinking, you just go ride your sailboat.

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« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2006, 08:25:44 AM »
It was a Biologist who called this new report "Mind Boggling Stupid."  But then again, I never really expected you to read that article.
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« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2006, 08:34:21 AM »
^ everything will be just fine...  eh
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« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2006, 08:43:11 AM »
I heard that after kinky loses he is going to join the greenpeace fleet.

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« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2006, 08:43:12 AM »
Didn't say that.  But the problem isn't nearly as bad as the 4 year old panickers who flap their limp wrists all over the place.
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« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2006, 08:47:13 AM »
Sometimes I wish I could be a "republican". It would be the easy life. :)

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« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2006, 09:53:48 AM »
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I did'nt see where it said it was'nt reversable. I thought the point was if we did'nt take action to stop the trend soon, it would be.


You got the point National Geographic wanted you to get. Its apparently not exactly the point that the scientist who generated the report wanted you to get.

They slanted it in the direction they wanted by not reporting more explicitly that he not only says the trend can be stopped, but also that it is already being successfully dealt with in many areas.

Communication is more what people understand than what people say. Its always possible to remain within the boundaries of truth but at the same time convey inaccurate impressions. Its all about spin.

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