Disgusting Shame!

[Dago]

See Rule #7

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by bsdaddict
man, I agree that the westboro group is a despicable lot and that their actions are, among other things, an illegal invasion of privacy, but come on people!  This is America.  There's such a thing as Freedom of Speech.  My grandpa used to say "as much as I hate to see someone burn the flag, I'd die to defend their right to do so."

Curbing someone over something they say?  I'll assume you're just ranting, 'cause if you're not one of MY previous rants wasn't far off.

As has been said many times before on these boards.
Yes you have freedom of speach. Wit it comes the responcability and the consequences of that free speach.

Besides. Freedom of speach was designed to protect the people from the goverment.
Mot necessarily from other people

Walk into the middle of Harlem and yell out the "N" word and see what happens.

Hey after all. you have free speach right?

[JB88]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech , or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


you are wrong captain hilts.  it clearly says that the government cannot tell you what you can or cannot say.  the framers wrote that, not the ACLU.

it also says that they can "peaceably" assemble.

this obviously isn't peaceable.

they should be charged with disturbing the peace or attempting to incite riots.

then, using the same freedoms we can post their pictures everywhere and each of us individually deny them the ability to buy our gasoline...ride on our buses...eat at our restaurants.  shop in our supermarkets.

etc.

[lasersailor184]

Wow, I really am dissapointed with most of you.  Virgil especially.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

It DOES NOT say the government cannot pass a law preventing them from doing what they are doing. What they are doing has nothing to do with dissent. There's nothing in the Constitution that gives anyone the right to do what that "church" is doing. Nothing in the Constitution protects anyone's "right" to disrupt a funeral. Just because it is "speech" of some sort or "protest" of some sort does NOT make it automaticly protected under the 1st Amendment.

They can print their problems in the paper. They can hold their protest in a true public place (a funeral is NOT a public place, it is private). They can show their bellybutton and their bigotry on TV. But imposing their protest on a private funeral is NOT protected free speech.

I personally don't care how disappointed anyone is over that.

[Sandman]

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

[lasersailor184]

Do you watch southpark virgil?  More specifically, the Muhammed episode?

[midnight Target]

See how easy it is to start losing your civil liberties... just pick the most disagreeable use of those liberties and start whittling away.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Do you watch southpark virgil?  More specifically, the Muhammed episode?

Why would I watch "SouthPark"? I find it neither funny nor entertaining, and I certainly don't find it educational.

[Goth]

While I am greatly saddened to agree with the likes of Lasersailor, I have to agree. One of my fundamental priniciples, and the true reason I served in the military was defense of the Constitution. Their speech does not quite equate to yelling fire in a crowded movie house, although it is truely sick.

But this is America. I served to defend the rights of nutjobs burning flags, and of these whackos voicing their sick opinions. I cannot in all honesty state that they have no right to voice their opinion.

I would hope that all military families, mine included, would be able to ignore these freaks. Additionally, I an not an overtly religious person, but I would hope that if there is a God, he would twist these people in the afterlife and make them pay for their sick deeds in this world. That's the only justice I can ask for.

[JB88]

i have an idea, how about we get rid of the tax shelter that they get (which i am WHOLLY opposed to btw...strip them of their church status and then take them down like they did the KKK?

wait for the to start hiding money from the IRS...

better ways to skin a cat than ruining it for everyone else or becoming the enemy to beat an enemy.



(p.s. - for the life of me i will never comprehend how people can be vile and cruel and unforgiving and claim to follow the teachings of jesus ...baffles me.)

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by cav58d
I can assure you that everything I mean everything I said in my previous post, and to add, the framers did not intend for this hijacking and abuse of free speech

regardless of how outrageous the "hijacking and abuse of free speech" is, it's still only words.  

"I would gladly fracture, and destroy each and everyone of their skulls with the heel of my boot....  bite the curb..."  

over words you don't like...  that's ugly.  there's a lot more I'd like to say to you, labels I could use, but it would probably get this thread locked.  let your imagination wander.

[cav58d]

Say what you will about me...And if you ever said it in a threatening way to me or my family, especially at a funeral, you'd wish you were never born....got that?

[cav58d]

For all of you who support this rhetoric, and say it is well within their guranteed rights....Well as sinnical (sp) as this may be 2 say...Maybe they should show up at the funeral of one of your dead ones then....we'll see how you like that

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Besides. Freedom of speach was designed to protect the people from the goverment.
Mot necessarily from other people

um, maybe you haven't heard, but physically assaulting, possibly killing someone   when they didn't PHYSICALLY assault you first or you're not otherwise in fear of your life is a crime.  it has various names, depending on various circumstances and outcomes.  

Walk into the middle of Harlem and yell out the "N" word and see what happens.

Hey after all. you have free speach right? [/B]

I'd surely get hurt pretty badly and possibly an unlucky few in the mob who happened to be caught on camera would go to jail.  or not, I might just get looked at like a loonatic.  wouldn't mean I'd have been perfectly within my rights.