Author Topic: Unperk the XIV? (Read 4066 times)

Krusty · « **Reply #15 on:** November 13, 2006, 04:48:01 PM »

But, the P38 IS uber!!!

(couldn't resist)

How about I phrase it this way:

The only drawback of any spit above the SpitV is the short legs, and the .303 guns. The 8 has greater range (it helps, it really does) but the 4x .303s in the outer wings. The 14 gives up a little turn performance, gets 50cals outboard, and has the increased range of the 8. It also cruised like a flying carpet once level.

Since the spitfires have turn capability in spades, they can afford to lose some of that and still out perform a lot of their main competition. Especially if the loss in turn is made up for in top speed, climb rate, firepower, longer range, and zoom capabilities. It's still a major threat to anybody around it. I would say [opinion alert] more so than the spit16.

I think unperking it would be akin to unperking the Tempest. You could argue "Sure it's fast, but it can't turn for crap, it's got a bullet magnet in both the radiator and the pilot, and the guns are good but have short firing time, and it's got really short range" -- but in the end even with all those flaws it's still a tempest. Could you imagine an arena with unperked tempests?? It would be awful! Same with spit14s, IMO.

EDIT: I am thankful that the perk price is very low. I used to fly the spit14 as my only perk plane for entire tours.

1895 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 13, 2006, 05:18:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
The thing about the 152 is that it sucks. Anywhere. All the time. Even free, few people fly it.

The thing about the Spit14 is that it's the FASTEST spit in the arena, faster than 90% of the other planes in the arena, as well, it climbs better than a 109K-4, almost, and it has easy-mode Hispanos and 50cals. It turns almost as tight as all the other spits.

Put that together, and if it were unperked it would be the most widely flown spit EVER in AH history.

See, the 152 was unperked because it blows. It's by no means uber. The spit14 is perked BECAUSE it is uber. I've had sorties where I was in a spit14, lost an elevator, and STILL out turned 2 LA7s and a p51 that were gang banging me on the deck. I ended up with 4 kills after I lost an elevator, and still made it home safely to land. No other plane would have let me do that.

Yeah and thats why it was remodeled from AH1, When it turned like a zeke and ran like a 163, oh my glory days. My sweet darling is gone

Kev367th · « **Reply #17 on:** November 13, 2006, 06:19:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
But, the P38 IS uber!!! (couldn't resist)

How about I phrase it this way:

The only drawback of any spit above the SpitV is the short legs, and the .303 guns. The 8 has greater range (it helps, it really does) but the 4x .303s in the outer wings. The 14 gives up a little turn performance, gets 50cals outboard, and has the increased range of the 8. It also cruised like a flying carpet once level.

Since the spitfires have turn capability in spades, they can afford to lose some of that and still out perform a lot of their main competition. Especially if the loss in turn is made up for in top speed, climb rate, firepower, longer range, and zoom capabilities. It's still a major threat to anybody around it. I would say [opinion alert] more so than the spit16.

I think unperking it would be akin to unperking the Tempest. You could argue "Sure it's fast, but it can't turn for crap, it's got a bullet magnet in both the radiator and the pilot, and the guns are good but have short firing time, and it's got really short range" -- but in the end even with all those flaws it's still a tempest. Could you imagine an arena with unperked tempests?? It would be awful! Same with spit14s, IMO.

EDIT: I am thankful that the perk price is very low. I used to fly the spit14 as my only perk plane for entire tours.

XIV gives up a lot of turning ability (see previous post) even against the VIII and XVI, and of course nothing rolls like a XVI (almost).

As for the .50's, in all honesty it's the Hispanos that get you the kills, so basically it's a faster Mk VIII.

Comparing it to unperking the Tempest is silly, that thing is a monster. Fastest prop in the game and 4 x Hispano V's (more ammo and a faster rate of fire than all the other planes with Hispanos).

Look at my comparison with the K4 (technically it's German counterpart), K4 has the edge on speed, XIV in turn, in all other aspects they are almost identical performance wise.

Way back when it was first introduced it made sense to perk the XIV, with the increased late war planeset there is no reason anymore for it to retain its perk status.

If it was such the threat you contend it is it would have a K/D ratio closer to the other perked aircraft which are all over 2.2+, instead of the 1.2 it usually gets.

Leaving it perked would be akin to having a hard deck of 25k in the arenas then perking the La7 for its low alt speed.

Put it this way - There is nothing to lose, everything to gain, by at least trialling it free for a tour or two.

Krusty · « **Reply #18 on:** November 13, 2006, 06:21:50 PM »

I'll leave it at "I disagree" then

P.S. Krypto I didn't fly spits back then. I struggled with 109s/51s but mostly loved bombing (HQ runs, too).

Overlag · « **Reply #19 on:** November 13, 2006, 08:13:22 PM »

am i the only one that thinks all "top" planes should be perked?

you know. La7, P51, Niki 109k, 190d all perkd.....

Oldman731 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 13, 2006, 08:51:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
am i the only one that thinks all "top" planes should be perked?

you know. La7, P51, Niki 109k, 190d all perkd.....

There's always going to be a top dog, I suspect.

Go ahead and un-perk the Spit14. It's a fine plane, but the 109K and the Ki-84 can handle it without much difficulty. It flies in the late war arenas, which appear to be heavily weighted to Spits already, so who cares?

- oldman

OOZ662 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 13, 2006, 10:01:23 PM »

All you guys that keep going back and forth on performance versus the other spits, get a source already!

Bruv119 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 14, 2006, 12:51:44 AM »

Totally agree Kev un-perk the spit 14 (not that perks matter im sure most in this thread could fly tempests all year and still not run out of them)

I think that maybe it is unfair on newer players not to be able to appreciate the beauty that is a powerful spitfire and turning them into skilless LA7 pilots.

Add the Spit 21 and perk that. Hopefully it will be able to climb and outrun both 109K's AND LA7'S.

But as AKAK rightly said 90% pilot.

Urchin · « **Reply #23 on:** November 14, 2006, 01:48:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
am i the only one that thinks all "top" planes should be perked?

you know. La7, P51, Niki 109k, 190d all perkd.....

I'm with Kweassa, I think all the top planes should be unperked. The La-7 is just as good as a Spit 14, actually better, because it can run away from pretty much any plane at will.

Ball · « **Reply #24 on:** November 14, 2006, 02:10:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
The thing about the 152 is that it sucks. Anywhere. All the time.

nicely put

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #25 on:** November 14, 2006, 03:52:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
am i the only one that thinks all "top" planes should be perked?

you know. La7, P51, Niki 109k, 190d all perkd.....

no, I'm sure there are a few dweebs out there that think the same.

ack-ack

Flayed1 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 14, 2006, 08:02:32 AM »

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no, I'm sure there are a few dweebs out there that think the same.

ack-ack

Dweeb here, I would like more of a perk ladder so there would be something I would pay perks for.

As it is the only perk fighter I like well enough to pay for is the F4U-4. Jets suck

The 14 is fine up high but when ever I get down into the fight it just feels average.

As it is I always have around 4500 fighter perks although I lost a couple hundred the other night when I was drinking and just HAD to up a few F4U-4's and a Spit-14 or two lol.

Kev367th · « **Reply #27 on:** November 14, 2006, 12:09:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Flayed1
The 14 is fine up high but when ever I get down into the fight it just feels average.

Exactly, and where do the overwhelming majority of fights happen?
Ohh, low down.

Few nights ago I took a 14 up, ran into some 25k Ponies, yup down to the deck they went.
Ran into a K4 at 20k, yup ran to the deck also.

Got 3 choices -
a) Stay high wait for something else to come along (maybe he'll stay high
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b) Chase them down to the deck into the low alt mess and probably get picked off.
c) Take it home and land it, it's a pointless plane perked.

Option (c).
XIV will remain the perk plane hanger queen.

Overlag · « **Reply #28 on:** November 14, 2006, 04:19:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Flayed1
Dweeb here, I would like more of a perk ladder so there would be something I would pay perks for. As it is the only perk fighter I like well enough to pay for is the F4U-4. Jets suck The 14 is fine up high but when ever I get down into the fight it just feels average.

As it is I always have around 4500 fighter perks although I lost a couple hundred the other night when I was drinking and just HAD to up a few F4U-4's and a Spit-14 or two lol.

thats exact reason i think they should be perked... you earn perks, to be able to fly in the uber planes. This way newbies "learn" in older planes instead of taking easy mode HO monsters.

im not talking massive amount of perks but maybe 5-10 for 12-5eny planes etc... that's not substantial.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #29 on:** November 14, 2006, 05:00:37 PM »

Perks are based on whether or not they change the game balance is they were unperked. Since none of those planes unfairly change the game balance there is no need for them to be perked. Quite simple really, just amazed quite a few just can't seem to grasp the concept.

ack-ack