Bow hunting is real hunting...

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by FX1
I am willing to put money that more rifle hunter don't find their deer after the shot more than bow hunters. I think that most bow hunter are more sportsman and take time and practice their skills more often than rifle hunters do.

I aim and hit them in the neck.   They drop like a sack of ****.

[Golfer]

That's brilliant, bumpkin.  In my younger days (with a shotgun) I hit a deer in the neck trying to hit it where you're supposed to.  I've fired with the dear head-on (yes...I HO'd a deer) right dead center of the chest with a shotgun.




Makes me wonder why I spend all my time shooting 3D targets in the body.  Next time I'll argue that I should get more points.

I aim and hit them in the neck. They drop like a sack of ****.

If you told me this line at any type of social gathering...I'd walk away from you never to talk to you about anything hunting again.

[FX1]

I like the head you miss our they drop. Rifle hunter have a bad idea about bow hunting because i think they are lazy.  

Have you ever hit the out side of the neck. That's always a nice feeling to see them run off with a piece of their meat hanging and its breathing from the hole you made with a .270...

I have seen 180 class buck at 220 yards get hit with a 300 win mag drop to the ground then run off never to be found in the thorns of south Texas. Its all pot luck if it isn't standing 80 yards broadside. What you do is killing with a bow its hunting that's all. If i see it with a rifle its dead with a bow its just a first step to a exciting hunt.

[Nilsen]

Unless you are 100% sure you can kill the animal with the first shot then bow hunting is just a cruel game. It takes real skill, and unless you have that then stick to the rifle. Ive seen films on the web of idiots "hunting" with bows only to injure their pray with a "spray" of arrows. There are also videos floating of folks "hunting" with revolvers, and thats just as dumb.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Golfer
If you told me this line at any type of social gathering...I'd walk away from you never to talk to you about anything hunting again.

That would be your right, but I'm not "worried about my aim".     I'm fresh out of rat's tulips Golfer.    5 deer so far out of 5 shots fired.   I go about every other year, my son is now 5 and I enjoy spending more time with him.   I eat what I shoot.   I grew up in a family that "shunned hunting".    I was the "one that got away".    

So yer telling me you couldn't hit a deer in the neck from 75-100 yards, with a 30-06 & 3x9 scope?!!    They do NOT run, but I've noticed some are so damn "high n mighty" around here.   So that would mean they run after the neck is snapped and shattered.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by FX1
Have you ever hit the out side of the neck. That's always a nice feeling to see them run off with a piece of their meat hanging and its breathing from the hole you made with a .270....

I have a SigSauer 30-06.   I use 180gr Cor-Lokt.    I've shot and kilt 6 deer since I started going with my father-in-law.   The first deer went through the heart and lungs, moved 30 yards after the shot.    The last 5 is how he has shot for over 35 years.   He used a Belgian made Browning B.A.R. semi-auto that he bought in 73.   He now hunts with "blackpowder", and going to Maine for Bear.  

Sorry if some feel I'm "full of chit", it's your right, but you're wrong.

[FX1]

That's great but don't get over your head. We all have hunting in common and its better than sitting around the cpu. In my youth i killed 54 deer in one hunt in Mexico with a 22-250 most were head shot. I guess i have grown up from those days but part of hunting is managing your heard.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by FX1
That's great but don't get over your head. We all have hunting in common and its better than sitting around the cpu. In my youth i killed 54 deer in one hunt in Mexico with a 22-250 most were head shot. I guess i have grown up from those days but part of hunting is managing your heard.

I never "got over my head".   That is my whole point.  Eagler needed to check his "bravado" at the door, but forgot.

[FX1]

So yer telling me you couldn't hit a deer in the neck from 75-100 yards, with a 30-06 & 3x9 scope?!! They do NOT run, but I've noticed some are so damn "high n mighty" around here. So that would mean they run after the neck is snapped and shattered.


What i am telling you is that skill and luck play a part in every kill. I am willing to bet that sense your new into the sport you really need to grow with the sport. Rifle hunting is fun but its killing and i have done lots of killing in my life. Bow hunters refined the sport pay more attention to detail than most rifle hunters. I like my rifles and have over 30 in all kind of calibers. I just feel that bow hunting is much more of a sport than sitting 100 yards and poping something in the neck my 9 year old did that 2 weeks ago with a .243 (:

[Modas]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
That would be your right, but I'm not "worried about my aim".     I'm fresh out of rat's tulips Golfer.    5 deer so far out of 5 shots fired.   I go about every other year, my son is now 5 and I enjoy spending more time with him.   I eat what I shoot.   I grew up in a family that "shunned hunting".    I was the "one that got away".    

So yer telling me you couldn't hit a deer in the neck from 75-100 yards, with a 30-06 & 3x9 scope?!!    They do NOT run, but I've noticed some are so damn "high n mighty" around here.   So that would mean they run after the neck is snapped and shattered.

I'm gonna agree with Mash on this one.  I've been hunting for 25 years and after I got my first rifle in H.S., (a remington 30-06) the neck is ALL I shoot for.  I have absolutely no problem with that because I KNOW where my bullet is going to go.   When I go to the range, I don't leave until I'm shooting quarter size groups at 100 meters.   I've shot at 4 deer in my 25 year career all four were neck shots all four dropped right then and there.   Shots ranged from 75 to about 110 yards.

My Dad instilled in me very early on that you don't shoot at the animal unless you are going to bring it down on one shot.  If you can't, you don't shoot.   Period.   That's probably why I don't get one very often.  To throw bullets into the air in hopes you get the animal is not only completely unsportsmanlike, its dangerous as well.

IMO, done corectly, the neck shot (second only to a head shot) is the most humane way of killing a deer.

 In the spirit of the original thread, I used to bowhunt as well, and I MUCH prefered if over rifle.  However, I outgrew my bow, didn't have time to practice to be accurate enough and had to give it up.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Nilsen
There are also videos floating of folks "hunting" with revolvers, and thats just as dumb.

I hunt with a revolver Nilsen. Actually, two different revolvers. A Dan Wesson 44HV 44 Magnum, and a Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt I originally bought for my late father. Both are plenty accurate, and plenty powerful. In fact, the 44 and 45 take wild bore down better than most non magnum rifles, because a 300 grain bullet with a 1300+ feet per second muzzle velocity will generally smash large heavy bone with ease. And a big bore 180 grain JHC bullet will go through a deer easily and make an exit wound the size of a tennis ball when it leaves the muzzle at 1750+ feet per second. Not for the novice by any stretch, but not "dumb" either.

[FX1]

I shot a hog with a 44 this spring and it didn't even wiggle its tale. I was going to shoot a deer with my .40 this year but i have yet to take it out to the blind. Hand gun hunting is something i have not done so i am looking forward to it. Any hunting is OK with me (;

[Shuckins]

I hesitate to participate in this thread for fear I'll drown in the testosterone.

At 53 years of age, I'm one of the older hunters to frequent these boards.  I've been hunting since I was five years old, so I've got nearly a half-a-century of outdoors experiences to draw on.  My family has always hunted and shared a wealth of information and personal anecdotes on the sport so, as one might imagine, I've developed some fairly solid opinions about what works and what doesn't.

First of all, please spare me the macho bull-shirt about your marksmanship skills.  If you've killed only a half-a-dozen deer or so you are still tyros in every sense of the word.  I'm positively thrilled that some of you spend so much time practicing your shooting....but try to develop a little humility and wisdom along with it.

If you haven't muffed a neck shot you've been lucky.  That's right...LUCKY.  Believe me...YOU WILL.  As any long-time and knowledgeable hunter will tell you it's the riskiest shot you can take.  Many forego it altogether.  The head and neck of a deer are it's most active body parts...and their movements are totally unpredictable.  Some day you'll draw a bead on a deer that has it's head down and feeding, in the process of squeezing off your favorite neck shot, when the animal suddenly jerks it's head up and looks straight at you and....disaster...a bullet striking a nose or blowing away a jaw.

I downed two deer on Monday...both shot through the lungs.  The first was a small buck that piled up as soon as the bullet hit him.   He didn't even quiver.  The second was a doe, shot at closer range in the same fashion who ran about seventy-five yards.  Had a heck-of-a-drag getting her out of a briar thicket, but that's just part of hunting.

As to the argument as to whether bow or rifle hunting is more noble...gimme a BREAK.  You're seriously trying to cover yourselves with a layer of virtue because you kill an animal using a different method than does your neighbor?     Wake up morons.  Your sport is under attack by urbanized nitwits who were raised in concrete jungles on Bambi and The Lion King who believe that all hunters are cruel neanderthals.  You can't afford any dissension over the ethical superiority of one type of hunting as opposed to another.

[Golfer]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
That would be your right, but I'm not "worried about my aim".     I'm fresh out of rat's tulips Golfer.    5 deer so far out of 5 shots fired.   I go about every other year, my son is now 5 and I enjoy spending more time with him.   I eat what I shoot.   I grew up in a family that "shunned hunting".    I was the "one that got away".    

So yer telling me you couldn't hit a deer in the neck from 75-100 yards, with a 30-06 & 3x9 scope?!!    They do NOT run, but I've noticed some are so damn "high n mighty" around here.   So that would mean they run after the neck is snapped and shattered.

I'm not saying that.  My shooting skill is not what I pride myself on.  I pride myself on my hunting ability.  I haven't needed to take a shot in excess of 20 yards but for one exception in the last 8 years.  That was purely on ego and to put the new shells (Remington Copper Solids mentioned above) to the test.

Like I said...the statements you've made thus far lead me to believe that we do not have anything in common when it comes to hunting beyond being in the woods with a weapon.  That's where I leave our discussion.

[rogwar]

Shuckins I went to UAM and used to hunt deer with a bow out behind the school and at the old POW camp site.