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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2006, 05:51:37 PM »
Bah!
thats not hunting.

You wanna hunt. Hunt bear with a bowie knife.

Now THATS hunting ;)
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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2006, 05:53:27 PM »
Virginia just opened up crossbow hunting this year, so I decided to get a crossbow and try my hand at deer hunting.  So far, I've gotten the license and some hunting locations.  I still need a climbing treestand and of course to "get out there".

The only part I am hesitant about is cleaning the deer after it's shot and getting it back home.  I've found some videos on the net and have cleaned plenty of smaller game.  Still, a deer is a pretty big animal to deal with after it's shot.

I've even though of ways to get the hide tanned as a fur or just deerskin.  Eating the animal won't be a problem and I'm somewhat of an amateur butcher so, other than bones, that's ok.  Do people just put the remains in a trash bag and throw it away?  That's what I intend to do.  

Regarding ethics, I think that's extremely important in this day and age.  It's refreshing to know how many supporters of hunting there are, but they aren't vocal.  It's the anti-hunters that get on the news and try and influence the general public.  

Crossbow hunting is basically the same as regular bow hunting (although a separate license is needed in VA) with the deer dieing due to blood loss.   I may get into traditional recurve hunting next year but that depends on how much I practice.  The crossbow can keep all shots within 2" at 20 yards (my self imposed maximum range).  With the recurve I can keep 90% of the shots within 10" at 20 yards.

I may decide deer hunting isn't for me, but it's a really good excuse to buy a modern crossbow!


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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2006, 05:54:22 PM »
Rogwar, :rofl

That can still be done...but you have to drive by a couple of new dorms to do it.

My brother-in-law and I used to drive out there at night to count deer...and he may...may mind you...have shot a few himself.

Anyways....what years did you attend and what was your major?

I attended from 1971 -1975, and obtained a B.S. in Social Studies.

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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2006, 06:01:35 PM »
Hi I'm the original topic..

Nice to meet yall..

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Point is, it takes more skill to down a deer with a bow then it does with a rifle.

Granted if you increase the range of the rifle shot, it might start to equal the difficulty of bow hunting, but again, you got to factor in getting up to 20yds away from a wild deer without it bolting.
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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2006, 06:09:54 PM »
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Virginia just opened up crossbow hunting this year, so I decided to get a crossbow and try my hand at deer hunting.  So far, I've gotten the license and some hunting locations.  I still need a climbing treestand and of course to "get out there".

The only part I am hesitant about is cleaning the deer after it's shot and getting it back home.  I've found some videos on the net and have cleaned plenty of smaller game.  Still, a deer is a pretty big animal to deal with after it's shot.

I've even though of ways to get the hide tanned as a fur or just deerskin.  Eating the animal won't be a problem and I'm somewhat of an amateur butcher so, other than bones, that's ok.  Do people just put the remains in a trash bag and throw it away?  That's what I intend to do.  

Regarding ethics, I think that's extremely important in this day and age.  It's refreshing to know how many supporters of hunting there are, but they aren't vocal.  It's the anti-hunters that get on the news and try and influence the general public.  

Crossbow hunting is basically the same as regular bow hunting (although a separate license is needed in VA) with the deer dieing due to blood loss.   I may get into traditional recurve hunting next year but that depends on how much I practice.  The crossbow can keep all shots within 2" at 20 yards (my self imposed maximum range).  With the recurve I can keep 90% of the shots within 10" at 20 yards.

I may decide deer hunting isn't for me, but it's a really good excuse to buy a modern crossbow!


Regards,

Malta


I used for a number of years a Horton crossbow with a 150lb pull.  I bagged 1 deer in all those years.  I successfully pinned to trees a couple squirrels and bagged a couple of rabbits (My 6 arrow quiver still has 2 field point equipped arrows for just such a reason)

I didn't like it because it wasn't for me.  It's the business for a lot of people though.  The cons for me were:

It's bulky
It's heavier than a traditional bow
It's noisy (but the bolts shoot faster)
It has a weak range compared to a longbow

It IS accurate
It IS consistant
it IS perfect for someone brand new to hunting or with a handicap

I have no problem shooting a target with either out to 40 yards.  For grins I have a 60 yard pin on my bow mostly because too many coyotes have gotten away.  My first deer with a longbow (Compound bow) was at 40 yards and the rest have been inside of 15.  All but one from the ground as I'm not typically in a tree.

As far as disposing of remains...where we live there are lots of farm fields around and one in particular with a ditch about 1000yds long.  We've discovered that placing the deer remains in the middle of the field while in the cover of the ditch at night time makes for great coyote hunting.  Squirrels nibble on the bones and eventually everything decomposes.

I've never tried throwing them away but do throw away geese, ducks and doves once I breast them out.  Other than being much heavier and warranting several bags I don't see the big deal but I'm sure you'll want to quietly check local information on your own.

Even if I do have a deer butchered I take the tenderloin out myself because I do a butterfly-esque cut to them that no butcher has ever seemed to get right.  Plus I've had them come back a little light a number of times and you do not mess with my venison tenderloin!

Do enjoy.  I find myself using my camera more than a weapon in the last couple years.  Must mean there's something worth seeing out there. :)

Take a look at the movie links I posted above.  I walked up on a deer a couple weeks ago and was less than 10 paces from it when I first saw it.  I drew on it because all I saw was the back of a head as it was bedded down in heavy wind at the edge of a field.  After 3 minutes (and lots and lots of arm pain!) it stood up and I saw how big it was.

It took me a little extra time to get the camera out of my pocket slowly mostly using the bow itself to hide my own movement and finally get the video going.  The still picture was taken after the video when the little thing wouldn't run away until the big doe behind it winded me and took off.
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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2006, 06:20:13 PM »
I hunted with a crossbow a couple times and its almost like bow hunting because of the range. In Texas we don't have a crossbow season but you can hunt with a crossbow in rifle season. Never bought one rather have a nice bow but if their was a special season for cross bows i would perchance one. Anything to make my hunting season longer. I start the first of Sept for dove then bow season in Oct and rifle ends in late feb. I hunt hogs all year long but love the spring time because summer is for the lake not the ranch at 100 degrees. All hunting is a wonderful sport and we should feel special about one of our great past times.

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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2006, 06:21:32 PM »
Tonight i get to wash my camo cloth's in sent killer so my weekend start tonight...

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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2006, 06:57:32 PM »
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I'm not saying that.  My shooting skill is not what I pride myself on.  I pride myself on my hunting ability.  I haven't needed to take a shot in excess of 20 yards but for one exception in the last 8 years.  That was purely on ego and to put the new shells (Remington Copper Solids mentioned above) to the test.

Like I said...the statements you've made thus far lead me to believe that we do not have anything in common when it comes to hunting beyond being in the woods with a weapon.  That's where I leave our discussion.


If yer trying to infer I have an ego, you are sorely mistaken Golfer.    But to each his own, it's good to know YOU will be right, no matter what.
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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2006, 07:07:21 PM »
Speaking of bowhunting... anyone interested in a Martin Lynx?
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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2006, 07:37:20 PM »
i think its funny that people would argue humane standpoints about a vocation of death and maiming defenceless animals. Now i'm not against hunting, we're animals right?

 whats the difference between a man who reasonably claims that he has shot 5 rounds at a deer and killed all five with a spine shot, although risking a terrible yet possibly immortal missed shot, and the 'elite hunters' who think that somehow the deer thank them for the profesonal way they terminate existance. for every keen hunter who has a feel of mother nature and balance there will be 5 more to follow him wanting to blow the watermelon out of things.


my honest opinion on this little debate is that infact karaya's method is the best. instantly no pain below the shattered spine , if the deer even lives through the impact and shock. i suspect the deer that gets shot through the neck and survives, lives out its days ever thankfull that it didnt get shot in any of its heavy muscle groups or limbs, or even worse an internal organ.
 A common rookie hunter's mistake will be lead estimation and 'against' moving targets a gut shot will happen on every tour guide hunting trip package anywhere in the world. don't matter if its a rat in my log store or the mighty lion on the plains, a gut shot it the most digusting thing  a human can inflict on another lifeform.

i like the idea of through the spine, with a miss resulting in death by bullet trauma or a very high chance of running off with nothing but the chits put up you.

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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2006, 11:01:15 PM »
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VOR that is a very nice bow and fletching, is it home made?


Thanks. I wish it were my own work. I gave it a try with a piece of red oak a couple of years ago. It didn't go well, but i really didn't expect it to. I had a functional baseball bat with a string tied to both ends.

Fletching is another matter. I didn't make the arrow pictured (footing and horn nock inserts are beyond my skillset) but I've make a few here and there from cedar shafts and turkey feathers. I was surprised at how easy it was, and some of them even flew straight. :rofl

I also have a 72" ELB made from Oregon Yew by Jay St Charles. I'm too chicken to actually take it into the woods for fear of bruising the sapwood.

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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2006, 11:12:43 PM »
i think i'd rather hunt poontang, myself...  

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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2006, 11:27:05 PM »
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If yer trying to infer I have an ego, you are sorely mistaken Golfer.    But to each his own, it's good to know YOU will be right, no matter what.


Read the post again.  The only ego I mentioned was mine.

I'm saying our views diverge once we get into the woods.  Beyond that we have nothing to discuss on the subject of hunting because I recognize that our views at this time are not compatible.

I completely and vehemently disagree with intentionally firing at anything other than the vital area on a deer.  There is always an exception.  Straight on ahead with a shotgun or rifle is the exception in my book.  To do otherwise and boast that you have a 5/5 shot to kill ratio (you really do play too much AH if you're doing that!) while being an infrequent (other than annual) hunter shows inexperience in addition to, if you excuse the cliche; excess and unneeded bravado.

You might be a good shot, but you've got a long way to go to be a good hunter.  That's what I'm saying.

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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2006, 11:55:30 PM »
Not sure what to say to all this except I am going to have to agree with Shuckins all the way. I have been hunting for 20years now and hunt bow, muzzleloader, and shotgun (no rifles in Rhode Island). The only shot anyone should be taking is behind the front leg to get a clean double lung shot. If any of you attended hunter saftey class this will be the number one thing drilled in your head along with know your target.
I am not saying a neck or head shot is bad, but it is not the preffered shot to take.
I have taken a quite a few deer in my time but also lost a few after many many hours/days of tracking. It happens and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Me personally, I only shot when I know 100% I have a clean clear shot. Just this past Saturday I had a buck walk out 20ft (not yards..could see the wettnes on his nose) but did not have a shot since he was on my off shooting hand. I waited him out but in the end he trotted off (15 minutes later taken by my hunting partner)
In the end there is no greater feeling then being out in the woods with these animals and it is a priviledge just to see one let alone taking one.
Good luck to all in the woods.