Originally posted by Maverick
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Dred,
I'd like to direct you back to the same time frame. Do you think that there was no action that went with the loud demands by the suspect to not touch him. Something like a rather vigorous yanking back out of the Officers hands? Yep it's an assumption on my part since you can't see anything on the video but it's based on experiance.
As to the idea that someone takes the job and has to expect to be assaulted for no good reason, BS on that. You are expected to take on a risk, not to simply be assaulted because someone thinks their tantrum warrants assaulting you. They weren't hired to be a punching bag or be shot any more than a fireman is hired to be burned alive.
Yanking back is still not an assult on your person. He could have simply been pinned on the ground. inasmuch as he was already sitting anyway. This shouldnt have been too difficult.
that was after all the problem wasnt it. It was the orders I repeadedly heard told to him "Get up"
Someone sitting on the ground is nowhere near the threat as someone standing.
I wouldnt even had as much of a problem with it if he was tazed once.
but after that there has to be a moment where he was at the very least in a prone position laying on the ground. At which point he should have been cuffed and not tased over and over again.
I did not say that you should expect to be assaulted. Nor did I ever say anyone had the right to assault you becasuse it was your job
Any more then I said you should expect to be shot.
But. Just like a fireman runs the risk of being burned alive
That risk comes with the job.
If you are unwilling to accept that risk as part of the job , dont do the job.
If anyone is unwilling to accept that risk as part of the job. they shouldnt be doing the job
It does not give you the right to assault or shoot anyone else first who is not first posing a threat to you. Period
Sitting down and refusing to move is not a threat to you. pulling his arms away from you while sitting down is not a threat to you.
If someone strikes out at you or any cop. By all means. beat the crap out of him or Taz away with my bessing.
Untill that happens
While I agree they dont have the right to assault you.
You also do not have the right to assault first.
In this case I can forgive and even tolerate the first tasing.
But at that point he should have been cuffed and lead or dragged out if need be.
Not repeatedly tased over and over again.
Thats where I draw the line as did the people in that video.
Like I said before. Take note that nobody had more then an interest in what was going on untill they kept repeatedly tasing him.
Thats when it became exessive
And for what? Sitting there and refusing to get up?
Sorry I dont buy that as a threatening move other then to perhaps an overdeveloped ego.
Could've zapped him once. then while he as down. Pinned and cuffed him and hauled him away and he in the world of public opinion would have looked like the arse he was. And the cops would have come off as just having to have done an unpleasant job
And everyone would have been talking about this jerk that got arrested and not how these cops kept exessively zapping this kid over and over.
and thats what the general consencus is.
Not that the kid wasnt wrong. Everyone agrees with that. As I have repeatedly stated in this thread
The Kid was wrong. But the Cops were wrong too
Just because the kid was wrong dosnt make the cops right in how they ended up handleing it
The problem is people see how the cops reacted as having gone overboard. And thus by their own actions turned a jerk. into a victim
Thats what those students there were reacting to.They were reacting to the repeated tasing itself. Not what the dopy kid was screaming inbeween.
In asking for the badge numbers what they were really trying to say was "Enough"
And rightly so.
This wasnt an angry mob these guys were operating around.
but it very well could have become one.
Already admitted you guys have a tough job that I wouldnt want
and if it comes out that this kid was swinging at the cops when they tried to subdue him Ill back off my opinion on this incident and say they did what they had to do.
If not. then I'll stand by my opinion that they were right in what they were trying to do. But got carried away in doing it.
I dont expect many cops to agree with me.
Unless the evidence is absolutely irrefutable, Or the cop has been found ot have been involved inpedophillia, or dealing drugs to kids. or murder
Cops just wont speak out against other cops.
And while I can appreciate that brotherhood and all that.
It is a bit concerning because they are supposed to Serve and protect the public. From everyone.
Whats wrong is wrong. should matter the color of the shirt a person wears or if there is a badge on it or not.
