sgt203
Show me where in my posts I said that police were paid to be assulted
I never said any such thing.
what I did say what that risk came with the job.
My job I end up climbing a lot of ladders. Often quite high 30-40 feet or more and in what can easily be discribed as less then ideal not to mention safe circumstances where at less then a moments notice I can easily end up on the ground with my body busted up from a fall or worse (dead)
I've had ladders drop form under me. a lot of times your on the ground before you ever know your falling. It can happen that fast. Fortunately to day I've escaped with only some nasty cuts and bruises. But could very easily be a lot worse.
Now I dont get paid to get busted up,my neck broken or killed just to fix someone elses house
But I know that is the risk that sometimes comes with the job. I accept that risk and do the job.
If I was unwilling to accept that risk. I wouldn't do the job.
Its just that simple
In your job there are eherent risks that come with the job.
Your NOT paid to get shot (god forbid)
Your NOT paid to get assaulted.
But the risk of that happening is there.
You either accept that risk and do the job. or not accept it and dont.
Its just that simple
IMO Passive resistance does NOT give you a licence to assault someone who is not assulting you
I know about positional asphyxia
but for everyones amusement
"Positional asphyxia, also known as postural asphyxia, is a form of asphyxia which occurs when someone's position prevents them from breathing adequately. A small but significant number of people die suddenly and without apparent reason during restraint by police, prison (corrections) officers and health care staff. Positional asphyxia may be a factor in some of these deaths.
Positional asphyxia is a potential danger of some physical restraint techniques,
People may die from positional asphyxia by simply getting themselves into a breathing-restricted position they cannot get out of, either through carelessness or as a consequence of another accident.
Small children under two are particularly at risk from positional asphyxia.
Research has suggested that restraining a person in a face down position is likely to cause greater restriction of breathing than restraining a person face up. Many law enforcement and health personnel are now taught to avoid restraining people face down
or to do so only for a very short period of time. Risk factors which may increase the chance of death include obesity, prior cardiac or respiratory problems, and the use of illicit drugs such as cocaine.
Almost all subjects who have died during restraint have engaged in extreme levels of physical resistance against the restraint for a prolonged period of time. Other issues in the way the subject is restrained can also increase the risk of death, for example kneeling or otherwise placing weight on the subject and particularly any type of restraint hold around the subjects neck.
Some researchers report that the effects of restraint on oxygen levels is limited, and that other factors must be present to explain sudden deaths during restraint. Other researchers point out that deaths
in real life situations occur after prolonged, violent resistance which has not been studied in laboratory simulations.
Note I said pin and cuff him.
Curious how long it takes several officers to pin and cuff someone who is already on the floor to begin with. and then to drag him to the squad car?
Or do you place him face down and sit on him for a prolonged period of time while he is dragged there? (of course not)
With out question the subject was certainly cuffed when placed in the squad car
Sorry but in this case the positional asphyxia excuse is a poor reason unless they were planning on holding him there like that for a "prolonged period of time"
I've seen Cops take down and arrest people.and cart them off to the squad car lots of times I know it can be done
"And further the act of pulling away from a police officer trying to make a lawful arrest is resisting arrest and as such in itself authorizes use of force to overcome such resistance"
and if the force is reasonable I have no problem with that.
Repeatedly tasing someone over and over again isnt reasonable,
Once he was tased once he was down already. He should have then been cuffed and dragged away.
furthermore
"
The International Association of Chiefs of Police says Tasers are effective if used properly but that more studies are needed.
The group's Taser policy urges officers to use it
only to subdue suspects who are violent or about to injure someone; not to use it on a handcuffed person unless he is "overtly assaultive";
to use it the least number of times; and to seek medical attention for anyone who has been shocked.
Now any reasonable person can say that in this incident it definitely was NOT used the least number of times
After the first time the subject could easily have been cuffed.
Repeated Tasings as such are indeed excessive.
If your a trainer in tactics. and THAT is what you teach. Then as a Tax paying civilian I personally dont want you working for me teaching cops that its ok to just keep zapping someone. Who other then simply refusing to co operate is posing no physical threat to them
And it seems the way Cops Zap people in the field is not the way they get zapped in training
The company (Taser international) "points to an estimated 100,000 police officer "volunteers" who have ben shocked with a taser with no deaths
These human trials however do not properly simulate in field taser use and do not account for medical conditions, or stimulants in the large percentage of the population that police would potentially use tasers on"
"Unlike when tasers are used in the field. Tests on police officers often do not subject the volunteers to a full 5 second taser burst,rather,they sometimes only receive a single burst of a half second or less. Even when volunteers receive a full 5 second burst. that does not always correspond with how tasers are used in the feild. according to John Wikswo, a biomedical engineer ad Vanderbuilt University. In the field subjects are often hit with more then one taser burst. And Officers in the field can hold on the taser for longer then 5 seconds resulting in a longer shock"
http://www.cprc.org/docs/aclu.pdffurthermost. most of the studies on these things were done with Taser International participating in the studies.
That's like asking the DNC and GOP to investigate their respective parties themselves for corruption and expecting them to come back with an honest findings
