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Offline Bronk

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why spit14 is perked and not 16
« Reply #60 on: December 26, 2006, 11:01:26 PM »
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Interesting. From memory, going back to the discussions about spits before they were updated, I thought the idea was to have different boosts for both.

Bronk: I did check Gonzo's page, but I also remembered that the 16 is the fastest unperked spit by about 10-15mph. The charts all run together at Gonzos because the scale is so large, but you can guesstimate about 10mph difference there as well.


If i remember right the XVI didn't get the 1945 boost cuz it would have been the 21 or 25 lbs . Think pyro said he was concerned this would have been a bit much.

I'll see if I can find the thread.

You think the clipped wings might make the 10-15 mph diff?


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Edit: this might be why we didn't get the '45 boost.

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/merlin66_18_25.jpg
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« Reply #61 on: December 26, 2006, 11:06:24 PM »
Not sure. Could be. Doesn't explain the better climb rate. I don't think fuel weight alone would do that, but I could be wrong.
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« Reply #62 on: December 26, 2006, 11:08:15 PM »
I do remember that we did not get the late-war boost, but I thought that whatever we got in the spit16 was more than the spit8 got.
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« Reply #63 on: December 26, 2006, 11:11:28 PM »
Think we'll need Pyro to clear up boost for these 2 AC .





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« Reply #64 on: December 26, 2006, 11:14:56 PM »
Krusty, thats the thing.. the Spit16 is clipped-winged and has the same engine essentially as the 8 - the Merlin 66 (266 in the XVI). I'm pretty sure they have the same boost but I'm not sure. If so, the 16 should not outclimb the 8 at any time. I find the Spitfire IX to be most successful platform, but the climb is kinda smelly compared to the 8 and XVI, and an LF IX would be much better.

And I don't know about you all, but I feel uncomfortable flying a plane in this game when I know that my worst enemy has a better form NOT in this game. I.e. Flying a 109 and barely winning to a Spitfire IX would may have felt great, but remembering that there is actually a BETTER Spitfire IX out there (Spitfire LF Mk.IX with +25 boost) would make me feel funky... since it's left out and I'm shielded by the fact that it's not in the game. Besides, an LF IX without the boost would still kick a lot of arse. I've also heard that those +25 boost IX's turn super tight and climb super quick because of the extra power with no extra weight.

I'm not saying 'put it in the game', however... that is if I have no fellow whiners :D To balance it out though, we could stick in the rear 75. Imp Gal. fuel tank in the Spitfire LF IX +25lb. boost... it would give more range but it would degrade initial climb and maneuverability. Besides, the thing would be found in the late-war arena where it's more or less competitive with uber planes like the 4-Hog. They've got in in IL-2, and, as good as it is, it still has troubles from Ki-84s and planes of the like.
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« Reply #65 on: December 26, 2006, 11:19:23 PM »
You want an LFIXe, fly the XVI. It's the high-boost later version. It just has a different name because of the US built engine.

As for feeling bad for not having defeated the best of the best? Bah. You won't get much chance in a 109 vs most spits. If you get a kill enjoy it. Doesn't matter which version you killed.
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« Reply #66 on: December 26, 2006, 11:22:01 PM »
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You want an LFIXe, fly the XVI. It's the high-boost later version. It just has a different name because of the US built engine.

As for feeling bad for not having defeated the best of the best? Bah. You won't get much chance in a 109 vs most spits. If you get a kill enjoy it. Doesn't matter which version you killed.





Umm look at the link I posted kman. Its a Mk IX .



hehe unless you turn fight a 109 f.:p



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« Reply #67 on: December 26, 2006, 11:25:01 PM »
LOL he's got a point! That's my fave 109!

Anyway, Krusty, the XVI does not have the boosted engine. As said before by some1 else, the +25lb. boost (not only gave tighter turning according to my research) but a climb rate of over 5,000 fpm. The Spix in AHII does not have those abilities. Additionally, a bunch of LF IX's +25lb. boost had longer tips wings which gave 'em the better turning.
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« Reply #68 on: December 26, 2006, 11:25:26 PM »
Both the 8 and 16 are at 18lbs boost on WEP.

The 2 spits are practically identical, except for fuel load, wing construction, armament, ammo load, range, and performance.
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« Reply #69 on: December 26, 2006, 11:29:31 PM »
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Both the 8 and 16 are at 18lbs boost on WEP.

The 2 spits are practically identical, except for fuel load, wing construction, armament, ammo load, range, and performance.


Coulda swore the boost guages went to different levels when I flew em.

Then it comes down to weight with the VIII being the heavier beast

I do kinda regret that we suggested calling it the XVI instead of the LFIXe.

My guess is there would be a lot less moaning about it if it was just called a clipped wing Spitfire LFIXe to go with the full Span FIX we have.
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« Reply #70 on: December 26, 2006, 11:30:13 PM »
Yep, Bronk, I looked. My comment was more in response to SgtPappy.
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« Reply #71 on: December 26, 2006, 11:33:14 PM »
I noticed that too, Guppy. That's why we can conclude that Spixteens which only outclimb and outrun the Mk.VIII marginally in-game do NOT have the +25lb boost i really like lol

Any fellow whiners?
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« Reply #72 on: December 26, 2006, 11:34:58 PM »
Just double checked, mil/wep for both is 12/18. Just tested at SL, no idea if those change at alt, I'm not all planesmart like Widewing.
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« Reply #73 on: December 26, 2006, 11:35:20 PM »
Just checked em.  18 boost for both the VIII and XVI  14 for the IX

Funny that I prefer the VIII of the three of em.  XVI just doesn't seem that big a deal unless a really good stick has it.
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« Reply #74 on: December 26, 2006, 11:45:26 PM »
Fuel wt diff at 100%  fuel load.

Mk XVI 85 gal at 7.2 lbs. per gal = 612 lbs of fuel.
Mk VIII 123 gal at 7.2 lbs per gal = 885.6 lbs of fuel

Now how big a diff does 273.6 lbs make in an AC of this type ?


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