Author Topic: Does this news from the Middle East surprise anyone here? (Read 3223 times)

ByeBye · « **Reply #45 on:** December 02, 2006, 05:26:46 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
babek, why are you in germany and not in iran?

I was wondering the same thing.

ByeBye · « **Reply #46 on:** December 02, 2006, 05:28:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
The fact that the vast majority of Iraqis didn't and still don't wave American or British flags after you had ousted Saddam tells me all I need to know.

Who said anything about flags? How many Iraqis do you think would vote for the US to leave them?

Viking · « **Reply #47 on:** December 02, 2006, 05:57:55 PM »

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Originally posted by ByeBye
Who said anything about flags? How many Iraqis do you think would vote for the US to leave them?

The majority.

ByeBye · « **Reply #48 on:** December 02, 2006, 06:06:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
The majority.

So, you think that the majority of Iraqis want the US to leave so the country can fall into absolute choas?

I'd bet you are very wrong. Also, how many do you think would wave a US flag even if they wanted to? It's just not smart, due to the terror killings.

I'd bet that the majority of Iraqis would rather have the killings from other Iraqis stop before the US left.

ByeBye · « **Reply #49 on:** December 02, 2006, 06:09:51 PM »

If the US left Iraq, do you think more Iraqis would be murdered, or less?

Viking · « **Reply #50 on:** December 02, 2006, 06:18:05 PM »

More. A lot more.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #51 on:** December 02, 2006, 06:19:08 PM »

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Originally posted by ByeBye
How many Iraqis do you think would vote for the US to leave them?

Easy...pretty much all of them.

ack-ack

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #52 on:** December 02, 2006, 06:22:26 PM »

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Originally posted by ByeBye
If the US left Iraq, do you think more Iraqis would be murdered, or less?

That has nothing to do with whether or not the majority of the Iraqis would like the US to leave.

The fact is the US is seen as an occupation force by the majority of the Iraqis. Only the Kurds look at us as liberators and they are probably the only group in Iraq that would like us to remain in some sort of fashion but for the rest of th country, you'd probably be hard pressed to find one that wants the US to keep their troops in there.

And to answer your straw man...probably as much as are being killed now.

ack-ack

ByeBye · « **Reply #53 on:** December 02, 2006, 06:22:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
More. A lot more.

So, when the US was not there, the hundreds of thousands that died didn't matter? If the US left, it would just revert to what it was....which was worse than what they have now.

Viking · « **Reply #54 on:** December 02, 2006, 06:29:28 PM »

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Originally posted by ByeBye
So, you think that the majority of Iraqis want the US to leave so the country can fall into absolute choas?

Civil war is all but inevitable at this point; many would say it has already begun.

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Originally posted by ByeBye
I'd bet you are very wrong. Also, how many do you think would wave a US flag even if they wanted to? It's just not smart, due to the terror killings.

The terror killings hadn't started yet when the coalition brought down the Baath regime. Still there were only hundreds of people celebrating in the streets, not thousands.

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Originally posted by ByeBye
I'd bet that the majority of Iraqis would rather have the killings from other Iraqis stop before the US left.

The killings won't stop until one of the factions wins, or Iraq is split in two or three countries. The Iraqis knows this, and the only thing stopping them from duking it out is your presence. Iran is poised to support the Shi'ite government in subduing the Sunnis and Kurds. Syria and other Arab nations are funding and helping the Iraqi Sunnis, and the Kurds are just sitting on the fence hoping to carve out a nation for them selves in the north.

I bet you're wrong.

Viking · « **Reply #55 on:** December 02, 2006, 06:33:20 PM »

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Originally posted by ByeBye
So, when the US was not there, the hundreds of thousands that died didn't matter?

Nope. Not one bit.

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Originally posted by ByeBye
If the US left, it would just revert to what it was....which was worse than what they have now.

Nope. It would turn into something much worse than what was before you invaded. Not only for the Iraqis, but for the region and the whole world. An Iranian dominated Iraq and Iraqi oil.

ByeBye · « **Reply #56 on:** December 02, 2006, 06:36:11 PM »

Since the killings wont stop until one of the factions win, I propose that the US side with the majority faction, then kill off the other two. Would that be the proper approach?

Seems like it would save a lot of time.

Viking · « **Reply #57 on:** December 02, 2006, 06:39:05 PM »

You think the US will side with Iran?

ByeBye · « **Reply #58 on:** December 02, 2006, 06:42:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
You think the US will side with Iran?

Im asking you what you would prefer. Would you prefer that the US leave, side with the majority and kill the others, or stay and try to work it out?

Viking · « **Reply #59 on:** December 02, 2006, 06:46:37 PM »

I would prefer whatever makes Iraq not become a satellite of Iran, or even part of Iran. Unfortunately I don't think there is anything you can do at this point to prevent that, unless of course you're willing to give the reigns back to the Sunnis and let them oppress the Shi'ites like Saddam did. I don't see that happening.