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Offline Virage

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« Reply #135 on: December 08, 2006, 08:27:09 AM »
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It boils down basically to this...all online games that I've ever played, from chess, to poker, to mmolrpg, to 1st-person shooter...you name it...has some sort of hard-coded mechanism to enforce equality among the players.
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As Edbert says, this problem has been solved.  I don't know why AH doesn't implement it.  Some would complain for a week, then all would be ok.  Side balancing is accepted as norm in MOST games.  

Positive contribution:

Maintain current log in system.  i.e. If you were last ROOK you log in as ROOK.

Change the 'change country' system.  When 'changing countries':

Highest team is locked.

Middle team is open.

Lowest team is open with a perk award.

This would allow those with country loyalty to stick with their team but will end the 'Band Wagoneers' and will create incentive to join lowest numbers.

I think this would solve the balance issue.  You would be surprised at the number of perk junkies there are.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2006, 08:30:28 AM by Virage »
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« Reply #136 on: December 08, 2006, 08:54:30 AM »
I agree with LYNX.

Our squad use to change countries every month or so and most the time would go to the one with the lowest numbers. that way you could use up some perks and fly perk planes against the higher numbers.

There is no reason to change coutries now. If you dont want the ENY to affect the planes you take go to another arena.
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« Reply #137 on: December 08, 2006, 09:02:58 AM »
now that we have supposedly fixed the undefended base "problem"

now we have to fix the unbalanced side "problem"

i can,t wait to see what the next big "problem" is gonna be!:confused:


it will never end. someone will always have something to complain about.:furious




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« Reply #138 on: December 08, 2006, 09:11:31 AM »
I think HT needs to contract out a Social Behaviourlist for the solution to this problem.
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« Reply #139 on: December 08, 2006, 09:24:24 AM »
Option #1 "The Wait" is BETTER than ENY!  That is how a lot of other games do it.  I think that would be smart.


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Currently having 2 different thoughts.

1 Go back to my original idea of having a wait time between flights based on country balance. This would put the same numbers in the air at one time.

2. Write the cant fly in this arena unless you changes sides.

3. Say screw it, turn off ENY and let everyone complain.
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Offline EagleDNY

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« Reply #140 on: December 08, 2006, 09:57:59 AM »
Actually - does anyone have any data on just how many players (TOTAL PAYING PLAYERS) are in each country?  The arena sides are going to fluctuate naturally anyway, is there an imbalance in this total that makes one side or another more likely to be a horde in the first place?  

Also - in the country locks system being discussed, I don't see any explanation of what happens if:

1. I log on in the morning, and am forced to switch to ROOK.
2. I log on in the afternoon, and am forced off ROOK to BISH
3. I log on in the evening, and am forced back to ROOK

Are we going to eliminate the country-hopping every x hours limit?  If so, what is there to prevent the Spies and country-hopping CV screwers from causing new problems?

Rather than limiting which side you can fly for, I'd still rather see a better ENY formula / Perk Bonus system tried first.  The idea of only being able to up x planes from a base isn't bad either - and this could be adjusted by the size of the field to add additional strategy to the game.  Perhaps you could up x planes, and then anyone else wanting to launch has to wait x minutes for fueling / arming before they can launch due to overworking the flightline.

It isn't 'chess piece loyalty' guys - a lot of folks fly a particular side because they like the people they fly with.  This system sounds like it will just scatter everyone's squads to the winds on squad night as they are forced to change sides.  If you can't fly with the people you want to online, why log on?  What is the incentive to not just run the free 8-player furball?  

The new base capture system is concentrating the action to a limited front.  I thought this was what everyone wanted - big honkin' furballs of horde on horde?  Base ack is way up to prevent the sneaky from taking bases with anything less than a horde, so now when a horde shows up to do the job, you want to limit it and 'equalize' the 2 hordes?

There is nothing wrong with being outnumbered - it happens in war all the time (and some of us even LIKE IT).  We do not need the great socialist horde equalizer to protect us.  Up your favorite now-inexpensive perk-ride, wing up with a few guys and go over to the horde and rip them up in their lesser-rides.  Make a lot of perkies and HAVE FUN.  

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« Reply #141 on: December 08, 2006, 10:03:03 AM »
Yeah dont force a Country on someone! :(  AGREED  

Go with the WAIT idea #1 it was right on the MONEY
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« Reply #142 on: December 08, 2006, 10:09:17 AM »
Save the drama Boner.  All it takes is one search to see both problems have been around since the beginning of AHII.  Thank God HT is getting around to addressing them.
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« Reply #143 on: December 08, 2006, 10:19:23 AM »
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I think they should NOT take the walnuts out of Rocky Road ice cream and replace them with pistachios.


Pistachios are better! Screw the Walnuts!   :D
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i dont got enough perkies as it is and i like upen my lancs to kill 1 dang t 34 or wirble its fun droping 42 bombs

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« Reply #144 on: December 08, 2006, 10:20:06 AM »
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Save the drama Boner.  All it takes is one search to see both problems have been around since the beginning of AHII.  Thank God HT is getting around to addressing them.



drama?   is that the next big one quah??  whatever it is i.m sure you,ll be right in the middle of it all!!   god ,  i missed hearing your intelligent opinions!!  welcome back!!!



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« Reply #145 on: December 08, 2006, 10:22:18 AM »
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Number 1 is way to restrictive ... whineage would be deafening.

Number 2 is the way to go !!! ... not easy to do but best bang for the buck

Number 3 ... turning off ENY won't solve anything ... whineage would almost reach Number 1 levels.


I agree with #2, and the pictures Slap posted were the idea I was going to suggest.   Slapshot!

HT, if you split the cap three ways, and only allow each side to field their 1/3 of the cap of players, people will either HAVE to shift, change arenas, or not fly at all.  

I realize that "not flying" is not the idea here, but if they can truly stay off their joystick just because they didn't get to be a Rook that night, then they really don't love the game of it all anyway. They'll eventually come around because they love to fly and fight, if for no other reason.  I would certainly go in as a different side just to be able to fight.

(So far, the only reason I haven't switched to one of the lower-numbered teams is because I'm still a waaayyyy newbie and learning a lot, and being on the tail end of a major snowballing takeover is not a great way to stay in the air and learn.)
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« Reply #146 on: December 08, 2006, 10:23:31 AM »
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i can,t wait to see what the next big "problem" is gonna be!:confused:
 


Uh WhAT THE HECK WILL THEY DO ABOUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM???

When I run out of BEER and dont want to LOG?????

GET TO WORK ON IT!

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« Reply #147 on: December 08, 2006, 10:23:49 AM »
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Pistachios are better! Screw the Walnuts!   :D


Walnuts are better in Rocky Road.  
The ice cream has to be greeeen to have pistachio's in it!:rolleyes:
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« Reply #148 on: December 08, 2006, 10:24:44 AM »
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I agree with #2, and the pictures Slap posted were the idea I was going to suggest.   Slapshot!

HT, if you split the cap three ways, and only allow each side to field their 1/3 of the cap of players, people will either HAVE to shift, change arenas, or not fly at all.  

I realize that "not flying" is not the idea here, but if they can truly stay off their joystick just because they didn't get to be a Rook that night, then they really don't love the game of it all anyway. They'll eventually come around because they love to fly and fight, if for no other reason.  I would certainly go in as a different side just to be able to fight.

(So far, the only reason I haven't switched to one of the lower-numbered teams is because I'm still a waaayyyy newbie and learning a lot, and being on the tail end of a major snowballing takeover is not a great way to stay in the air and learn.)


NO YOU ARE WRONG


#1 is the best idea    :O
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« Reply #149 on: December 08, 2006, 10:25:24 AM »
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Yeah dont force a Country on someone! :(  AGREED  

Go with the WAIT idea #1 it was right on the MONEY


But the whole point of paying each month, and for those of us who work all day and have to fly for an hour or two at night when they can, is to FLY, not WAIT!  I HATE waiting...even for the engine to start!!! GET THAT BIRD IN THE AIR!:D
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