Blue Cap/ Orange Cap(HTC)

[MOIL]

"while the freedom to do what you want is nice, it is somewhat abused in that as soon as defense is mounted, a large portion of the attack just moves to the next undefended base and resume previous tactics. this is all the strategy there is atm."

And why do you feel this might be?

Thanks

[Elad53]

Originally posted by Warchief
There are quite a few issues with the current set up as is.
I never did care for the Arena Split. I understand the reasons but that is not what this post is about. My biggest issue is the same as Ghost. I can not play where I want to play and if my squad mates and friends are in an Arena that is full I have no right to tell them they cant have fun and go to Arena they dont want to.

I pay $15 a month to play this game the way I choose to play it for over 3 years plus now. During all that time the main thing that kept me around was being able to play this game the way I want to. But now we are unable to have that choice and that is where the underlining problems lie is. We are no longer able to fly with who want to or when we want to due Arena Restrictions. Instead we have to stop doign what we enjoy and do something that we dont want to do in order to group up. We long into arena and ENY hits us. Of course some might say well switch sides. Well I honestly think that if the Arena sizes was not restricted then that would no longer be a problem. Just somethings to consider

By the way I have played the Orange Arena. I enjoyed the challenge. But the funny thing is this. I dont remember in any War a side saying by the way we are attacking the field and just this one. With that set up you do not discourage Horde Mentality but in fact promoting it. The problem with that Arena is not the Arena itself. But the fact that once again we are being limited in our choices in a setup/game that should not have in restrictions to it.

Would majority play in the LW arenas? I do believe they would. If you want to take the best on then you want to face them in your a/c against there best a/c. For me I prefer the Hurricane IIC and consider myself a descent stick. If I was limited to flying something else in came across someone like SHawk and he shot me down then in the end my desire to face the best in AH in my aircraft and an Arena of my choice can not be done. Luckily enough for me I dont have to worry about it.

I look for to some replies btu I challenge people to do this. Come up with a logically and straight forward answer to why we should be limited on what we want to fly, what we want to fly against, what arena we want to fly in, and finally if we are paying $15 a month to fly the aircraft we want in the manner we want as advertised by HTC then dont you think we should be able to that when want to and not when someone else says it is ok.

I agree with you on all the points you mention.  Hopefully we can come to some sort of satifactory solution.

[Elad53]

And let us not forget that the orange arena is a test arena at the moment.  For those that like it, I hope it stays.

[MOIL]

"There are always going to be those that are or feel that they are disenfrachised even in and often especially in an environment of pure freedom of choice. We all remember the crazy days of Rooks RJO's back in AH1 as a case in point..."

I'll agree, but it was not the fault of the Rooks for the RJO days, it was the rest of the arena for not getting together and countering it OR coming up with thier own JO's.  IMO

[bustr]

MOIL guess then we would have had to convince all the Bishops to defect to Knight or vis versa every sunday night to equal the once a week behind the sceens agreed upon extra ordinary influx of Rook players who otherwise would not have upped any night of the month.

I suspect even HiTech may have not allowed for the possiblity of so many squads agreeing to swamp the arena and make over all game play unrealistic. So in that case player cooperation efforts for Rook at the time may have hit a maximum effort HiTech only looked at as a theroetical possiblity.

Still, HiTech needed to retain control of his environment for the basic need of making a buck to pay the bills.

So MOIL, in stead of telling the rest of us it was our fault for not adapting. Tell HiTech,, how was he going to pay the electric bill and keep the majoritiy of players Knight and Bishop combined  happy and engaged so they would keep coming back? One country, once a week making the game untenable and worth only logging off does not attract old players to stay or new ones to unless they are part of the super hoarding country.

But MOIL like everyone who drives a car, everyone elses problems on the road don't concern you as long as you can keep driving unhindered. But you will volinteer a plethura of opinions about other drivers habits when they infringe on your journy.

Puleeese volinteer an opinion on how HiTech was going to keep the lights lit with one country super hoarding equal or larger to the combined numbers of its 2 protaganist countries????????? After all when we logoff we don't worry about any more than our $14.95 a month. Hitech worries about multiple thousands a month along with customer retention and daily/long term  happiness of customers.

So MOIL tell the Bish, Knights and HiTech how we all should have handeled Rook JSO back in those wonderful old days?

[john9001]

Originally posted by bustr
So MOIL tell the Bish, Knights and HiTech how we all should have handeled Rook JSO back in those wonderful old days?

back in the old bad pre-split days we fought the rook JSO, we lost but we fought them, isn't that what it's all about, fighting?

being outnumbered one night a week seems more of a challenge than a deal breaker.

BTW, i tried to get into blue several time last night, it was always full, watched TV instead.

44MAG

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
What makes you think he won't?

Uh, I totally already covered that in my post.

[LYNX]

THRAWN .... May I suggest you look at the help files.  You can do that here under "getting started" or in game in tower under "web page help" on the clipboard.  Go to "Game information" / "Clipboards" then scroll 1/2 a page.  The new capture system is on there.

Alot of that help file is out dated yet this has been added.  Get ready mate because, in the words of a movie advert,  the new system is coming to an  arena near you.

[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by LTARghst
Its a new world here at HTC, might as well enbrace it, and try to enjoy it, because whining about it ain't going to get ya any where!

What a load of B.S. some of you few who like Orange would just love you see something like this wouldnt you, kinda reminds me of the guys you ask to not bomb TT VH's well what do you know they are down again. Someone of you just hate seeing others have fun that is the biggest problem I see here. Nuff said!

I've never said I liked the new system. I find it a bit too tight, and with the lack of co-ordination of the county its a bit boring, and on top of that I fly Rooks most of the time and its hard getting the kills before all those friendlies get there before me  

On the other hand, I see the need for the new system as this will bring more maps into the rotation.... which is what everyone wants at this point. I don't know whats invovled with approving new maps, but it must be a big enough project that adding a restrictive capture system to the already approved larger maps was a quicker "fix" to bring in more maps.

To have more maps at this point will mean that on an occasion you WILL see the new capture system in BOTH LW arenas. While Im not a big fan of this, Im willing to give it a shot, which is pretty much the reasoning behind my posts, way whine about it, its coming, and you might as well get use to it. Change is inevidible, and if you don't like it, you can go fly the other flight sims...... oh ya thats right, there are no other flight sims worth flying

[thndregg]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
and with the lack of co-ordination of the county its a bit boring,

And therein lies the problem.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by LYNX
Get ready mate because, in the words of a movie advert,  the new system is coming to an  arena near you.

If you are implying that HTC is going to switch the blue arena to the new settings, what makes you think that?


Heck why would you want them to?  If you happily playing on those settings in orange, why would you care what people play on in blue?

[Flayed1]

From what HT has said the main reason for the new system is so he can bring back the large maps. If this system is tweeked enough and we come up with a workable system I would guess that it will be put into place in all arenas on large maps.  I have been working on some ideas to make it a little more free form but still concentrate players that I hope HT will like.

 Last night ThndrEgg and I were in orange and planning and running missions in orange and the only reason we couldnt take the bases we went for is that we couldn't get cooperation from the rest of the bish other than the squad memebers that were online with us.   The plans would have worked and a couple times we were at the point of droping troops but with not enough people to take care of planes and GV's going for town we just couln't quite capture the bases.    We even mounted a long range NOE run on A52 or 57, don't exactly remember the # but it was a bish zone base that was left out of the line by HT on accident.  We had the town down but in the time it took me to get the goon to the town 10 Knights had uped and 6 low mossies and 110's wern't enough to hold off the defenders.. I even had the goon landed by the map room and if we had just had a couple more people it would have worked.

   I do agree that the Rooks having the same #'s as bothe other countries combined is a problem but if you look at it even with all those #'s night after night have they really been able to do much with them?  I havn't ever been rook but judging by the almost succesfull missions that just a few Bops ran I would guess there isn't much organisation going on in the rook side and the only way they are taking bases is by pure brute force with no real thought put into it. I think if they had any real organisation they would have reset the map by now.

  At first I didn't like the new system but after a while I could see where it had some possibilities and decided that instead of fighing the change I would do what I could to try and make it better.  Thndregg hated it so much that he would just log into blue but after the revision was made to the system he is now able to see what I see to some degree and that missions are important to success now.  We are just frustrated because of the lack of participation and that people seem to prefer Blue...  

  We were thinking on this and really the only thing we could think of is that people don't want to think about how to take a base other than either join the horde and SMASH, BASH, KILL!!! or constantly sneek base after base,
  Now I know this is a strange point of view coming from a couple BOP's but we have discovered we enjoy using our heads to take bases and mess up another countries resourses.

  I know the new system isn't perfect but I feel with some more work it can supply something for all types of players.

  Anyway this is just my point of view and I know some will never agree with me but I can try.

[MOIL]

Originally posted by bustr
MOIL guess then we would have had to convince all the Bishops to defect to Knight or vis versa every sunday night to equal the once a week behind the sceens agreed upon extra ordinary influx of Rook players who otherwise would not have upped any night of the month.

I suspect even HiTech may have not allowed for the possiblity of so many squads agreeing to swamp the arena and make over all game play unrealistic. So in that case player cooperation efforts for Rook at the time may have hit a maximum effort HiTech only looked at as a theroetical possiblity.

Still, HiTech needed to retain control of his environment for the basic need of making a buck to pay the bills.

So MOIL, in stead of telling the rest of us it was our fault for not adapting. Tell HiTech,, how was he going to pay the electric bill and keep the majoritiy of players Knight and Bishop combined  happy and engaged so they would keep coming back? One country, once a week making the game untenable and worth only logging off does not attract old players to stay or new ones to unless they are part of the super hoarding country.

But MOIL like everyone who drives a car, everyone elses problems on the road don't concern you as long as you can keep driving unhindered. But you will volinteer a plethura of opinions about other drivers habits when they infringe on your journy.

Puleeese volinteer an opinion on how HiTech was going to keep the lights lit with one country super hoarding equal or larger to the combined numbers of its 2 protaganist countries????????? After all when we logoff we don't worry about any more than our $14.95 a month. Hitech worries about multiple thousands a month along with customer retention and daily/long term  happiness of customers.

So MOIL tell the Bish, Knights and HiTech how we all should have handeled Rook JSO back in those wonderful old days?

If you remember (maybe you don't) LTAR played for Nits for 3yrs and at the time the RJO was in place. No one likes to be bombarded by numbers, but it happens.
What I was saying was it wasn't any suprise that the Rooks had numbers on Sunday RJO, it was a well known fact.
The other "fact" was a lot of players seemed to throw in the towel or just log off due to Rooks numbers.
There are many squads on the Nits & Bish that will tell you we were right there "fighting" to the death no matter what the odds.
Many, many times myself and others would attempt to bring squads and groups together to put up resistance or take bases.
The unfortunate problem was most didn't listen or wanted to just run around and do their own thing.
This is fine, but don't start whinning when you get your butt kicked due to not reading the map or playing as a large coordinated group.

As far as "But you will volinteer a plethura of opinions about other drivers habits when they infringe on your journy." I call laughable.
First off as one of many vets of the game I always tried to bring coheision and teamwork to the chess piece we were playing for.
If there's any one group that has been beaten into submission time & time again it's the LTAR's. You go ahead and ask anyone in the arena what squad has had their "journey" infringed upon more than anyone.
I think we hold the record for the most ordinance dropped on our heads than anyone else.
Then again what do I know...........

[FrodeMk3]

Flayd, you've probably done more that any other player to help everybody in this game. <> to you, and all of the BOPS, for that matter. You have continued to make maps, and help Hitech, even after the BOPS were being slandered for being a "mega squad", and for gaming-the-game.(Not to open an old wound, surely.)

However, From everybody I've talked to in blue, The real main reason they are there now is because of a matter of principal. I've flown in Orange some; I noticed that with lower numbers, the capture system works better. With a full arena, people dislike the too-large a fight it generates. But, I digress.

As I've stated, it's mainly a matter of principal. The vast majority of players do not post on this BBS. You have to log into the individual arena's to really check the weather in the community as a whole. Many simply feel that the game is succumbing to the whim of the few, and by consistently keeping Blue full, and the others empty, will make HTC change everything back.

     As HTC has posted, tomorrow, Dec. 11th, will inaugurate an ENY based side balancing feature. I cannot reliably predict the future, as no man really can. However, from what has been happening on ch. 200, It is not being recieved well. We face the possibility of not being able to fly with squaddies, or other friends. I should like to hope that I'm wrong, But all of the signs point to even more rough water ahead.

I don't think that after this, the caps will really mean as much, because you'll see squads going to whatever arena they can get into, and still fly with each other. I imagine that all the arena's will probably fill up to about the same numbers, more or less.

Anyway, thanks again for all of the hard work Flayd.

[President]

Originally posted by Lusche
Yes very funny when introducing a new system apparently nobody seems to want

The first few days Orange was the most populated arena by a big margin, until people went back to Blue...

first few days was the most popular???

you msut be using that new math.