Changes to come.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Killjoy2
This BBS is sounding a lot like the WB's BBS before HiTech left.

when did WB break tho?

before or after?




if it was before, then maybe AH is going the same way.

[Baine]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Has anyone taken into account who has the most to lose if the changes don't work?

Wouldn't that be the guys who design and own the game?

Earlier tonite some guy was ripping into HT, wondering what was wrong with Hitech and how HT didn't have a clue what people wanted in this game.

I asked him how long he'd been flying.

He replied 'about a year".

I then asked him if he thought that HT and company, who have been designing these games and playing them longer then most of us, might just have a clue as to what they want?

I then got the 'Oh, so I don't get to have an opinion' reply.  

Sure it's fine to have an opinion, but to suggest the folks with the most to lose, have no clue about what they are doing and that somehow we know better, seems a tad bit over the top.

That they even participate in these discussions and look for help or suggestions speaks volumes about how they operate.  I appreciate that they have the patience to wade through some of the BS we spew at times.

I'd suggest relaxing and seeing how this plays out.

No offense, but being able to code a cool air combat game is one thing. Adding cool features like carrier battlegroups and wicked tank battles is one thing.
It takes a lot of talent and imagination.
But regulating gameplay is something completely different.  Takes a different set of skills.
I give HT and company props for their ability to bring a cool game like this to the Web. But this rolling set of tweaks and retweaks and changes attacking the very basis that many people play AH for - cameraderie and fellowship - make me question just how well they do understand their customer base or why the game, which they are able to code beautifully, has been so much fun to play.

[RAPIER]

I think basically what we are seeing is the original ideas to upgrade the game have failed, and all this "tweaking" is totally changing the concepts we were told was for the future of the game.
Now you hardly ever see people you flew with all the time, squad or no squad.  I rarely see or find those I learned to fly with, and like as individuals.  I could learn to like new people, and would like to, but no one is ever consistently on the same side or in the same arena.  Multiply the number of arenas by the number of countries, and you are lucky if you see someone once a week.
The effort to upgrade the game is a good thing.  The results have been ah, less than successful.
Now how in the H*** is one country, even with a numbers advantage going to win a "war"?  It will become a treadmill, and those like myself who like the idea of a goal beyond a dogfight, are left to wonder, what is going on!

[4510]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Why are you guys so hung up on this idea of switching? You didn't know **** about the country you started out with, and you didn't know most of the people on it. Somehow, despite this overwhelming adversity, you met people, and formed squads, and had fun. Why can't you do this now?

While I am a "squad" guy by nature.... the biggest thing that comes to me out of all of this "tweaking" is a continued progression of telling me how, where, what to fly.  

ENY.. (what or where)
Arena w/cap (where)
Arena with limited plane set (what)
Arena with specified order of base capture (where, how)

We continue to make changes seeking someone's vision of Nirvana.

For those that wanted EW plane set.. HT gave it to them.  Whoever wanted it sure isn't supporting it... or the numbers wouldn't be so low.  Or, there weren't that many that wanted it to begin with.

For those that seek the "fair fight"  the thrill of combat verse one other opponent, win - lose - draw, shake hands afterwards etc.  There has always been the DA.  Whoever wants that... well it's there but they sure aren't supporting it or the numbers wouldn't be so low.

For those that wanted historical plane matchup, the A vs A arena.  You guessed it.... for all those that wanted it, they sure aren't supporting it or the numbers wouldn't be so low.

So how do we keep coming up with a vision of Nirvana, try to provide that opportunity and have it soundly REJECTED by the customers?

Simply, the numbers tell the story.  The majority of the customers don't share the vision of Nirvana.  The LW Arenas are where most of the folks fly.  Those that don't like that type of flying (call it any derogatory name that you think fits the LW arenas) have ample opportunity to fly in one of the other arenas as mentioned above that offer a different experience.  But for some reason those alternatives don't work.  

So I offer for thought to everyone who comes on here and says...

"The players need to fix it".

Yes they do, they need to use what we currently have, that provides them a chance to fly as they wish and stop trying to manipulate the WHOLE game to be EVERYTHING they want.

[E25280]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
The last time I asked (about a month ago) the arena usage numbers were up slightly.

I wonder if this is still the case?  I thought at the time it was a little early for an honest/accurate evaluation.  

There is naturally a spike in usage whenever a new product is "re-introduced" as new and improved.  The question is about sustainability.  When the arenas were first split, 80% of the players went to the EW and MW arenas.  Despite the claims a couple days into the split that "the players have voted with their feet, and EW and MW are big hits," it appears now they were temporary hits with no "legs."

Now that the split arenas have been around a while, have those that came back because of the changes actually stayed?  Have their numbers been enough to cover those who hated the changes and left?  That is, now that the novelty has (completely) worn off, what do the usage numbers show?

I just hope the continued and constant tweaking doesn't mean HTC ended up shooting themselves in the foot in this regard.

[4510]

Originally posted by Torcher
Just rename them Az, Bz and Cz. Ehh, on second thought, people would gripe about that, too.

Ahh, the days of a Cz Mossie raid on the Az scum's spit factory.

Well following our current path.. there would be no GANG THE Bz on Sunday Night.  Side limits would have put paid to that little weekly event.

AW wasn't perfect, but as a community I thought they "got it".  
They were just a little slow on code development.

[4510]

See Rules #4, #5

[LePaul]

So coming next week is....perking troops?  

I hope all this tweaking gives you what you're looking for.  

When I can fly with my squaddies, in the same area consistently, I'll wander back.

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by 4510
See Rules #4, #5

I think it's a lot of the cry babies left there and came over here.

PS: OHHHHHHHZZZZZZZ NOOOOOOOOOOOZZZZZZZZZ The sky is falling!#!@#!@:cry

[Stang]

I can't fly anyway, so I'll just sit here outside on my laptop (70 degrees here at night ) enjoy the weather, a few cold beers and get a kick out of all the whining.

Thanks all!

[JimJones]

See Rules #4, #5

[Meatwad]

I hate the changes, its not fun to sit in the tower and twiddle my thumbs. The squad I fly with flies rooks all the time, therefore I will stay a rook all the time.

If I did get kicked to another country without my permission, I would always PM the cv locations to a squad member, especially if that cv is being hidden somewhere

[JB89]

See Rules #4, #5

[Stang]

Originally posted by JB89
See Rules #4, #5

JB89 = JB88 + 1???

[999000]

Sloehand.. Sir couldn't agree with your last post more..you idetified the real problem. sir
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