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« Reply #645 on: December 14, 2006, 11:46:32 AM »
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Kev: Once again you are just completly full of it. If we took your view, AH could not exist today.

Does changing stuff create different issues? Absolutely.
But make no mistake about it ,changes have to happen if AH is to continue to grow.

But you just seem to want to completely ignore all the issues that existed before the split arenas.


Don't believe I have ever said the MA had no issues.
BUT it had a lot less than the current change, after change, after change, fixing the problems caused by the previous fix.

My view is (assuming you'd like to know) -
If a fix creates more problems than it addresses it's kinda counter productive. You end up spending time fixing those problems, which leads to even more.
Kinda like EXACTLY where we are at at the moment, and have been for the last 3 months.
Thats what I mean by chasing your own tail.

Change 'can' be good.
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« Reply #646 on: December 14, 2006, 11:48:31 AM »
I normally fly for the underdogs anyway, so I've scarcely noticed the changes. Is it really so bad as to cause this much bickering?

I don't remember things being this bad when AH2 went live, and that actually did cost HTC a lot of customers in the short term. Those were people who literally couldn't play the game anymore (because of hardware, not gameplay settings), and maybe I've got my rose colored goggles on, but I don't remember this much griping even from them.

I've got to hand it to HTC, they sure take a lot of **** for trying to do the right thing.8

BTW Kev, what are all these new problems that exist only because of the changes?
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« Reply #647 on: December 14, 2006, 11:50:41 AM »
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indy007: I do not quite see it that way. Currently I see the current situaltion as follows.

When each country as aprox the same amount of fields, things are staying balanced.

When one country is getting down to there last fields they start getting swamped. And hence are not having much fun.

Now the players in that country start looking for fun else where. Hence they change arenas. Once the numbers get to imbalanced we are stuck in a dead lock. Players do not want to be on the lower side because they feel like they do not have a chance to fight back.

Note I in no way assign any blame to anyone, it is just human nature to respond this way.

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The solution. Provide a way that even if you are loosing the "War" i.e. short on fields, your still having fun.

One thing that will help is having some fields that can not be captured, so you can still fight back.

2nd thing that will help is a change to the victory condition, so instead of the low on field country still getting hit, the winning country is forced to attack the other country.


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then if thats the case then why not just make it if people are gettin upset and they log cause their losing then deem it as that country surrenders worked in france they gave up they lost to a losing battle and award the team the win simple new map starts all over,so in order to prevent being called french stand on your feet and fight even harder,one thing i learned in the army was a 12 man special forces team can hold off the assault of a 1000 charging men whats wrong with these other countrys dont they have the back bone to do as well or should they just have the mentality of hell with it its not fair im goin to another sand box to play,seems a while back meaning a few month ago,the rooks would steamroll everybody in the arena now before the flames start im not pointin fingers at countrys,over and over and over again,then the knights would win one,and once in a very very blue moon the bish would get one,ut now i have seen changes where rooks that were rooks at one time have changed countrys to the underdog to get the perk advantage for being undernumbered and since it seems better players from rooks came bish it has seemed that now the bish are steamrolling map after map after map,just my honest opinion.
as homeboy has stated you have 2 types of people in this game the "gamer" and the war sim "kill all destroy all" player which causes friction between the 2 so heres just and honest opinion along with homeboys opinion that could solve this as he has stated.

1)keep two arenas one for furballers no captures no hanger destroying etc.
2)the other for the kill everything including bacteria type player.

it would solve alot of arguments over you bombed our vhs at tt what dweeb would do that wtg on ruining our fun or
wtg ho newb learn to fly learn some acm or you hoed me on the merge that aint fair your not supposed to do that waaa waaa waaa waaa and the crys continue,so no matter what you do to the game the whiners will still cry if ya keep them together with everyone so just seperate the 2 and let them play their own game this is what ya do with children so why not with adults that act like children furball one side,,,,,and destroy everything in the other.........Corpse:lol


also on that note for those people on one country wanting to change side to a winning team make it so you cant change side for 30 days instead of 1 hr 3 hrs or 12 hrs
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« Reply #648 on: December 14, 2006, 11:54:11 AM »
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That is not 100% accurate when it comes to games.

And do not view that statment as "I do not care about existing customers".

It is really just a simple truth that very few people play the same game forever.

HiTech


i aint saying that people stay forever, a balance has to be created. keeping new players coming in, while keeping old players happy at the same time.



but new restrictions isnt the way to win new, or existing customers over....

new planes/gvs, new maps, and new features are a much better way to increase playerbase, while keeping oldies happy.

new players will only come here with advertisement....current players need new things to fly/do





one thing.... did you have these changes layed out in a long term plan from 9/13 to the latest change? or was they "on the fly" changes to "fix" what happend after 9/13?
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« Reply #649 on: December 14, 2006, 11:59:54 AM »
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i aint saying that people stay forever, a balance has to be created. keeping new players coming in, while keeping old players happy at the same time.

but new restrictions isnt the way to win new, or existing customers over....


The problem with this statement, with all due respect, is that new players will accept the rules and conditions of the game as a matter of course, as seen overall, the same way you accepted the current ruleset when you started playing.

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« Reply #650 on: December 14, 2006, 12:01:56 PM »
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Greetings,

Dueling arena is just what implies. A place to fight one on one.


  Okay, but I seem to remember a Inter-Squad 4 on 4 there.

What were they doing ... Ohh  1 squad dueling the other to see who was the winner.

HT will not make a specific play type arenas. IE gv , furball, and toolsheder arenas.

 That may be true, however he already has - arenas limited by Time Period, Plane Set and Dueling.  As far as wanting us to play together, I think he just wants us to play nice.  (Jeeze, sounds like me talking to my children  :lol  )

1. Time period still includes all play types .  IE gv, furball,and toolshedder.
2.Plane set AKA  AvA is controlled by a event team not just htc .
Plus once again you can do all play types in there.
3.Dueling  :confused:  I already covered that.


Regards,


I will refrain from commenting on the personal attack.
As I feel it is not warranted .................




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« Reply #651 on: December 14, 2006, 12:02:32 PM »
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Don't believe I have ever said the MA had no issues.
BUT it had a lot less than the current change, after change, after change, fixing the problems caused by the previous fix.

My view is (assuming you'd like to know) -
If a fix creates more problems than it addresses it's kinda counter productive. You end up spending time fixing those problems, which leads to even more.
Kinda like EXACTLY where we are at at the moment, and have been for the last 3 months.
Thats what I mean by chasing your own tail.

Change 'can' be good.


exactly.

you have to wiegh up what each of the changes fixed.... and if that fix was a long time issue, or something caused by the last change.

change 1 was to fix a long term issue HTC "saw" which was 700players was unhealthy (debatable.... but not here). Anyway did change 1 really fix this?

from change 1, HTC created the following issues yet fixed nothing (IMO):

  • 4 unbalanced arenas (2 empty, 2 at an "ok" level)
  • sides unbalanced within these arenas
  • players decided not to fight, but instead fly in empty arenas milk running score vs sheds


then we had changes to try and fix these issues... and these create more issues......
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« Reply #652 on: December 14, 2006, 12:06:54 PM »
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The problem with this statement, with all due respect, is that new players will accept the rules and conditions of the game as a matter of course, as seen overall, the same way you accepted the current ruleset when you started playing.


maybe.... but one way i learnt to fly this game was to make friends within the country i started in. and i flew with them to learn what to do. i then got picked up by VMF323, and then VMF switched to knits since the knits had been the low number side for a few tours.

now thats imposible.

every time you log on, you have 2 servers to choose, and might not be able to fly with people you know and get used to.

so a new player is going to have a hard time learning the game when he is forever trying to find people to help him on server1/2 or side A/B/C.
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« Reply #653 on: December 14, 2006, 12:08:02 PM »
What are these new issues?
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« Reply #654 on: December 14, 2006, 12:10:23 PM »
Overlag: Knock it off, you are in no way discussing the issues involved all you are doing is trying to point fingers at HTC. I have totally had enough of these those type post from you.
No where at all in your last post did you have anything to say about any game issue. All you are trying to do is sling mud at HTC.

I will no longer tolerate that type of continued behavior from you , you are fee to say you do not like a change, you are not free to make those type of posts on this bbs.

Do so once more and you will not be a member of this bbs.

And a big word of advise, stop digging that hole immediately.

And just for general information, splitting the arenas was planed since the day we started coding AH.


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« Reply #655 on: December 14, 2006, 12:10:37 PM »
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« Reply #656 on: December 14, 2006, 12:11:28 PM »
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Overlag: Knock it off, you are in no way discussing the issues involved lall you are doing is trying to point fingers at HTC. I have totally had enough of these those type post from you.
No where at all in your last post did you have anything to say. All you are trying to do is sling mud at HTC.

I will no longer tolerate that type of contiued behavior from you , you are fee to say you do not like a change, you are not free to make those type of posts on this bbs.

do so once more and you will not be a member of this bbs.

And a big word of advise, stop digging that hole immediately.
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i simply following the same line of discussion that kev is making.


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And just for general information, splitting the arenas was planed since the day we started coding AH.

HiTech
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what about the ones after it?
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« Reply #657 on: December 14, 2006, 12:11:40 PM »
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maybe.... but one way i learnt to fly this game was to make friends within the country i started in. and i flew with them to learn what to do.

now thats imposible.

every time you log on, you have 2 servers to choose, and might not be able to fly with people you know.

so a new player is going to have a hard time learning the game when he is forever trying to find people to help him on server1/2 or side A/B/C.



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It's ohh so hard to periodically check to see if there is room for you in another team and arena.  PFFFT

zOmG 1111!!!!!111!!! I have to back out arena and check if there room in another.

If you can't take 2 min to do this, how the hell you going to learn a game with this huge curve.

Your logic is astounding.:rolleyes:


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« Reply #658 on: December 14, 2006, 12:13:31 PM »
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It's ohh so hard to periodically check to see if there is room for you in another team and arena.  PFFFT

zOmG 1111!!!!!111!!! I have to back out arena and check if there room in another.

If you can't take 2 min to do this, how the hell you going to learn a game with this huge curve.

Your logic is astounding.


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so you find the guys you've been tagging along with and learning with but you cant fly due to numbers? thats what i mean, thats what will effect the new players too..... the lack of stability.
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« Reply #659 on: December 14, 2006, 12:21:21 PM »
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so you find the guys you've been tagging along with but you cant fly due to numbers? thats what i mean.


Numbers are not stagnant they go up and down almost by the second.

It's real hard to hit that refresh button and check to see if i can jump were I want.

Unless There is a JSO going on a particular side you should have no problem getting where you want to go with in 1/2 hour I'd bet.

Done it my self squad was in orange i was in blue . Back out after a flight and check. Guess what took me ONE try and i was in with my squad. *GASP*



Your making a mountain out of a mole hill.


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