Groundloops

[Bronk]

Originally posted by hitech
Benny Moore: Exactly how many planes have you been in that have been ground looped?

Still waiting for an answer Kur .. erm Benny.




Bronk

[Rino]

Ok, in response to Bronk, Alpo and Golfer....sorry guys, didn't mean to
bring real life into this   By the way, HTC has a long way to go in the
realism sector...AH doesn't have whiney rich tards wondering why they
can't fly into Miami during a hurricane...or line guys standing in front of
a weather hold for 20 minutes in the pooring rain till the pilot takes pity
on them.

     No lines of people standing at the front counter trying to inquire about
aircraft arrivals knowing nothing about the bird but "Mr Jones" is coming in
about 6 pm

     They also don't model the crews having you pull aircraft in and out of
the hangar during a sleet storm trying to time the de-icing "just right"

     I for one am grateful that HT doesn't bother with these.

     Oh, and for Golfer....before I went out on disability for my diabetes
surgery I was/am a Line Supervisor at Signature Flight Support.  And before
you say anything, I apologize in advance for our prices and goofy ramp!

[Rino]

Originally posted by mussie
Oh christ hub, if your a real pilot I am never going out side again.....

    Actually I think Hub would fit right in with some of the pilot/owners I
have met.  The airport practice area was right over my house 20 miles west of the field>, and all summer long I can listen to cessna/piper
engines cutting out for simulated engine out.  Well hopefully simulated!

     The interesting part is that there is no place for them to ditch safely, all
trees, houses, hills and Lake Hopatcong.  If they have to ditch in the lake
during the weekend, they're gonna get waffled by some drunk in a pontoon
boat

[hitech]

Rino: Other things we do not model.

1. Having to get back out of the air plane, just because you left the key in your pocket and can't reach it while in your plane.

2. Having to dispose of other peoples air sick bags. Allthow track IR has that effect on me.

3. Having to get out the jumper cables because some one left the master switch on.

4. Having the plane roll 70 degs when ever you look at the map.

5. The bloody brightness control on the gps, that I never seem to rember how it works when it is all dark and you can't see the display to adjust it in the first place.

Hmm could make this list never ending, man my game must be terrible.

Oh one thing we do model fairly closely is ground handling of a tail wheel plane. But what do I know only have 500 hrs of tail wheel time, and have been in the back seat during a ground loop.

HiTech

[Golfer]

Originally posted by Rino
I was/am a Line Supervisor at Signature Flight Support.  And before
you say anything, I apologize in advance for our prices and goofy ramp!

I don't care about the prices...they go on the company card.  Company doesn't care about the prices...they go on the customer card.

The ramp on the other hand...

So what's the deal with your goofy ramp

It is a pretty funky chicken.  I've been in there twice for stop and drops so no real big deal.  We went from Signature IAD to Signature MMU.  I was sure to eat my share of cookies at each place to get our moneys worth, however.  If you were to look at how we were parked maybe you'd tell us the rhyme or reason for it.  It wasn't as bad as Dulles.  There (it was my leg..."unfortunately") we had to go in one citation sized hole between a couple Falcons, turn and come back out the same hole.  Guy I was flying with said "have at it" though I can assure you he had more confidence in my ability than I did.  We lived and I didn't even have to blast the falcons

[Rino]

Originally posted by Golfer
I don't care about the prices...they go on the company card.  Company doesn't care about the prices...they go on the customer card.

The ramp on the other hand...

So what's the deal with your goofy ramp

It is a pretty funky chicken.  I've been in there twice for stop and drops so no real big deal.  We went from Signature IAD to Signature MMU.  I was sure to eat my share of cookies at each place to get our moneys worth, however.  If you were to look at how we were parked maybe you'd tell us the rhyme or reason for it.  It wasn't as bad as Dulles.  There (it was my leg..."unfortunately") we had to go in one citation sized hole between a couple Falcons, turn and come back out the same hole.  Guy I was flying with said "have at it" though I can assure you he had more confidence in my ability than I did.  We lived and I didn't even have to blast the falcons

     Our ramp is a combo deal between the clueless ex-USAF General GM we
had when the new buildings went up and airport management.  Apparently
they decided that having the whole ramp actually in front of the building
wasn't nearly challenging enough, so they split the ramp into two small
confined areas.

     Think of it as a pilot confidence course, although amazingly we only had
one guy taxi into the drainage ditch in the last 3 years.  It gets really
scary at night, but I am hoping that the new light towers on the northside
will help there.  I mentioned to management that it gets dark roughly 50%
of every year when we built the dump....but we ran short of money after
scheduling all the company parties during our working hours

     At least you have a Citation...can't remember if it's a 550 or 560 off the
top of my head.  We used to have a blast trying to knock over the porta-
potties with Global Expresses during the de-ice ramp construction   We
only needed 2 more potty kills to be  potty aces when they got smart and
bolted it down.  area wasn't the smartest place to put that thing!>

     As for HT and his list..I can feel your pain brother, but the worst thing
I've seen this year was a Kingair 90 pilot trying to clean the tray lav of
some clown who didn't know how to open it and had Montezuma's
explosive bowel evacuation.  Man, that was pure nasty even AFTER we
hosed down the ramp  

[Golfer]

My FBO didn't have lav servicing equipment.


I was thankful for that as a line guy


I fly all the 500 series aeroplanes.  Everything but a C-500...go figure.


Here are some of them.  Nothing at MMU, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enCnGm4HtrQ

[Benny Moore]

Originally posted by hitech
Oh one thing we do model fairly closely is ground handling of a tail wheel plane. But what do I know only have 500 hrs of tail wheel time, and have been in the back seat during a ground loop.

Fair enough ... I concede defeat.  I'll take your word for it, as I've never flown or taxied a real taildragger.  I still think the game's a tad forgiving, but I'll defer to your superior experience and hold my peace in the future.  I also think I owe you an apology.  So, I'm sorry for bashing your game.  It wasn't my intention.  I only want it to be as much like flying a real warbird as possible.

[Golfer]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
as much like flying a real warbird as possible.

That's too much work to be fun in my book.  I like the premise of this game.  Shoot em up, blow em up and fire em up with realism where it counts (flight modeling) and ease of use where you want it (engine management)

[redneb]

Originally posted by Leslie
In the game ground looping is where you land and spin around sometimes breaking off a wing and ending up off the runway.  Happens to me when I come in to land too slow and hit the brakes before locking the tail wheel on the runway.  Happened to me a few nights ago in an La-7.  Been playing this game 6 years.  Still happens sometimes.


Les

That's groundlooping?  I land like that every time......

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
Fair enough ... I concede defeat.  I'll take your word for it, as I've never flown or taxied a real taildragger.  I still think the game's a tad forgiving, but I'll defer to your superior experience and hold my peace in the future.  I also think I owe you an apology.  So, I'm sorry for bashing your game.  It wasn't my intention.  I only want it to be as much like flying a real warbird as possible.

"I admit I'm wrong, but you still don't have it right."

[Benny Moore]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
"I admit I'm wrong, but you still don't have it right."

That's not the case at all.  My understanding of the phenomenon has not changed, but I consider Hitech's opinion in this matter to be more important than my own as he has far more experience in the subject than I do.  It has nothing to do with his status as game developer, it's about experience.  I applied to same principle to Widewing in the P-38 versus Me-109 argument.

[nick172]

hubsonfire, Yes I am a real pilot 294 hours, taildragger rated.

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
That's not the case at all.  My understanding of the phenomenon has not changed, but I consider Hitech's opinion in this matter to be more important than my own as he has far more experience in the subject than I do.  It has nothing to do with his status as game developer, it's about experience.  I applied to same principle to Widewing in the P-38 versus Me-109 argument.

That's exactly the case. You say you're conceding the point, but that HT still doesn't have it right. That's exactly what you're saying.

That's excellent Nick. I brought the issue up with one of my buddies, and sure enough, he has no taxis/takeoffs/landings in a dragger. Strictly trike.

[jigsaw]

Originally posted by nick172
hubsonfire, Yes I am a real pilot 294 hours, taildragger rated.

No such thing as a "Tail dragger rating."  Next specious statement?