TrackIR and AH View System

[Condor]

Thanks all!

Mace,

I tried your profile and I find I get more reproducible views as I move my head around.  Before, every time I shifted from front to back it seemed my 6 view would change significantly.  It doesn't with your profile.  It seems disabling the roll that makes the difference more than anything else.  I went back to my previous profile but disabled the roll.   My 6 view was also a lot more reproducible as I looked back and forth front to back with roll disabled.     This should be a big help.

Balsy, Mace,

I also now get what you were saying about using the forward view for looking around the cowling.  Like homeboy, I'm using the pinky switch.  It will take some getting used to but Ithink it well help me with practice.

[Mace2004]

Glad to be of service Condor, let me know if there's anything else I can help with.

Mace

[HomeBoy]

Mace,
Thank you for posting your profile.  I have replaced mine with it and am finding it to be much better than mine; especially the six view.   Not having the Roll axis does make things better.  I would never have thought that.  You have approached things much differently than I have (sort of opposite).  You scale things up and use a much higher smoothing factor whereas I was using a smoothing setting of 10 (trying to make it aggressive) but was not scaling.  I can see that scaling is the way to do it.  The biggest difficulty I'm having with your profile is the X axis is very sensitive and it's a little harder to keep centered.  I think that makes for a better six view though so not a bad trade off.  I'm determined to stick with your profile unmolested for at least a week before I go to fiddling with it.   I really need to get to a point where I'm not making adjustments and get used to it.

Thanks so much for your help.  I really like TIR but it has been a bit difficult to get it set up right.

-hb

[Mace2004]

I'm glad it's working for you HB.  The reason you're finding the Xaxis to be sensitive and hard to center is that I've almost completely eliminated the "dead zone" by raising the values in the middle of the curve.  If it continues to bother you try reducing these values while keeping the curve nice and smooth.  That'll give TIR a greater tendancy to stay centered along that axis.

Mace

[Old Sport]

Originally posted by HomeBoy
one thing I have noticed about TIR from day one is how when I'm whipping my head around in a fight, the views can get "weird" and I have to reset several times to get things right again.  I have lost my target many times over that.

I've noticed something that I'll call for lack of a better term TIR gimble lock - doesn't happen often, but it may be something to watch for.

When in ACM with bandit in trail on one side (7 o'clock), and I maintain vis while going through rolls - the bandit thus moving from one side to the other and back while still behind, and I then try to look forward, I sometimes wind up with the view is locked to the rear. I have to reverse my head movement to release the lock. Not sure, but I think it is just the result losing orientation with where TIR is.

Best regards

[straffo]

Here is my profile , a contrario to Mace I've kept a bit of roll as it' (IMO) give a more natural feeling ins some extreme cases.

  AH2
  Customized Aces High II
  10
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[jedi25]

Just got my IRTracker Pro, with the headset clip...

It rocks, but having centering issues whenever I check my six..

I too have mapped my irtracker center button to joystick POV and AH troggle zoom in/out..

Have anyone figure out a easier way to have irtracker re-center to a reseaonable view after checking you six?

Btw, anyone know what is the function of true view?

This is my AH profile.

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  AcesHigh
  Aces High 2 View Controls_Aggressive
  90
  1
  2
  0
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[Mace2004]

There seems to be slightly greater problem with TIR losing track since the new software came out.  This seems to have something to do with how TIR reacts when it can't see all three reflectors.  There should not be any centering required at all after checking six.

I've found that getting greater distance between the sensor and reflectors helps, I also tilt the brim of my hat up a little higher than normal and that helps TIR keep track when looking down.  Someone else has mentioned that not having your settings aggressive enough causes this problem.  This is probably right since you might be having to move your head too much.  Looking at your profile it doesn't appear aggressive at all since the highest value you've assigned is 20 while my profile goes as high as 79.  The greater the movement required the greater the chance that you'll move out of the sensors field of view.  

TrueView is a strange animal and hard to explain.  It has to do with how TIR references it's movements to your current line of sight or to the aircraft centerline.  Having the wrong setup causes several problems including reversing your side to side movement when looking aft.  With AH, I suggest that both the AH function for TrackIR Relative Move and TIR's TrueView be deselected.  If, when looking aft your side to side movement seems natural (i.e., you move left your in-game head moves left) then you're set and I wouldn't touch a thing.

Mace

[jedi25]

Thanks for the quick response Mace2004,

I will make those changes and see how it goes..



 Jedi

[HomeBoy]

This is a great thread!  The meat of this should end up in a training doc somewhere.  Thanks to all those who have contributed.   It has really been a big help!  

[Mace2004]

I hear you HB, I'm planning on writting up the TIR info for the Training Corps to help people get setup and get the most of TIR in AH.

Mace

[Speed55]

i find it nearly impossible to check 6 while flying all the us navy planes. I remember before i bought trackIr, that i was able to fly the f6f and be able to track bogies on my tail, but not anymore.
Anyone else have this problem? It just happens when flying us navy birds, and worst with the f6f and fm2.

[Mace2004]

No real problems with the planes you mention but TIR does have a hard time with both the F4U and 109F.  In the F4U part of the fuselage shell extends forward over the pilot's head and in the 109F the armor shield does the same.  Since the preferred TIR head position is essentially back and up this means that when you turn around these parts are right in your face, a much bigger issue than the headrests.  You can look around them but it's much harder than just a headrest.  I've yet to find a good TIR head position that allows this to be done comfortably.

Mace

[HGKC]

Here is a site that explanes alot about TIR that can help you understand the TIR a little better.            

http://www.airwarfare.com/guides/tir_setup.htm

[jedi25]

Thanks HGKC..


Very need info on maximizing ITTracker..