An Inconvenient Truth

[bj229r]

we are a pimple on the Earth's arse, and in a few decades fossil fuels will be a remembrance....(and did 3/4 of ONE degree in the last 100 years makes the glaciers melt?)

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by oboe
If you haven't seen it already - you might like this movie.   Special effects are first rate, and it's topic is what you're concerned about.  
 

OMG, not even highly educated scientists in the field acknowledge that abrupt climate change as that movie depicts can happen!  When scientists talk about climate change, they are usually referring to “gradual climate change.”

[Ghosth]

Oboe, no I'm not saying he's fudged the Co2 #'s.

But what I'd like to see is where that data was collected, the raw uninterpreted untouched data, ie no corrections, conclusions, etc.

I agree we are off the scale on Co2, but is he measuring apples & apples? Or apples & Oranges?

Is he mixing atmospheric data from the US with polar ice cap data?
When you start looking at statistics there are simply tons of ways of influencing the results. That is assuming you go in with a bias one way or the other.

I would love to see clear cut, unbiased results across the board from someone who's funding does NOT depend on the answer.

Seems that everything is either loosely based in fact, biased, or just flatly trys to ignore the whole problem.  

Would love to see some truly independant investigations.

[oboe]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
OMG, not even highly educated scientists in the field acknowledge that abrupt climate change as that movie depicts can happen!  When scientists talk about climate change, they are usually referring to “gradual climate change.”

Take it easy, Rip.   I didn't say I believed it - I just said I thought Ghosth would enjoy it, because it dealt with exactly the issue he brought up.   No more to it than that.

[oboe]

Originally posted by Ghosth
...I would love to see clear cut, unbiased results across the board from someone who's funding does NOT depend on the answer...
Would love to see some truly independant investigations.

Very important points indeed.

[Ghosth]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
OMG, not even highly educated scientists in the field acknowledge that abrupt climate change as that movie depicts can happen!  When scientists talk about climate change, they are usually referring to “gradual climate change.”

Most climate change is gradual, right up until it triggers a change. Then it can be cataclysmic. woolly Mammoths frozen stiff with a mouth full of food. Ice shelfs that show some melt water pools, then suddenly disappear entirely.

Going back to those CO2 & temp charts, most of the changes are quite slow, takes century's to change a degree, yet at the tip over point at the top, there is a very tight spike. Temp goes UP dramatically, then DOWN even more dramatically. Like an old fashioned balance beam, you can keep slowly adding potatoes to the high side, and when it finally shifts it has nothing to do with how slow you added the potatoes.

Its all about how much difference there now is between the 2 sides. Not how fast the change was.

[Halo]

Now's the time to be a contrarian and invest in winter survival equipment.  

[rogwar]

Think about "the data" a little bit.

Recorded, scientific weather data does not go back all that far. I believe it's only since about the late 1800s and even then it was fairly localized. Plus we on the planet have only been recording CO2 levels for a relatively short time.


Yes, cores can be drilled, sampled, and analyzed but the data results of such are based on modeling.

Models based on data from models interpolated using data from other models.

Now think about how accurate the weatherman is 3 to 5+ days in advance.

I understand it is a politically unpopular thing as well for folks in the scientific community to publicly question the global warming theory.

[JB88]

its kind of hard to take your interpretation of data seriously given the nature of your avatard rog  



(ya ya...i know, look who's talkin!)

[Debonair]

lol, as soon as sumthing becoms political, evary 1 on teh intarnets is an expurt roflmao:noid:noid:noid:noid:aok

[EagleDNY]

The biggest cause of global warming is undoubtably the huge ball of fusing hydrogen at the center of our solar system, aka the SUN.  Since solar output varies over time, our planet's temperature varies over time.  

Yes, our polar caps are in a melting stage - so are the ones on MARS.  Somehow, I don't think its our use of fossil fuels that is causing the martian polar ice caps to shrink, although Al Gore might have some unique statistics-based proof of that too.

Rather than listen to Al Gore, you might want to listen to NASA -

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2003/0313irradiance.html

[Debonair]

Originally posted by EagleDNY
Yes, our polar caps are in a melting stage - so are the ones on MARS

0 NOES!!!11:O he is RIGHTE!!

wow that was FAST:cool:

[Debonair]

looks! u can see it disaparing:noid:noid
furst byebye 2 teh top one the teh bottim ones

[oboe]

HAve you ever heard of NASA scientist James Hansen?    If you trust NASA more than Gore, might want to pay attention to him then.

[JB88]

Originally posted by Debonair
0 NOES!!!11:O he is RIGHTE!!

wow that was FAST:cool:

soooo. are you suggesting that it would be okay because we would have the same lush environment that mars does?