FYI This is not a "HO":)

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Suave
I've been a member for years longer than that. And I do know what a HO is in real world and in dweeb nomenclature.

Mainly it's former AW players that are bitting thier pillows about what is or isn't a HO. Because AW was such a crappy game, HO shots almost never ever landed, they were basically disabled. When AW finally died the AW players came over to AH and pissed their pants when confronted with the frontal aspect shooters

This is turning into an entertaining HO whiner thread.

I hate to break my record of never ever being skuzzyfied, but I can't seem to come up with a better way to put it.....You're an idiot.

[Tumor]

It's a HO.  Slightly more acceptable than the typical long distance joust... but it's still a HO.  Good 38 drivers'll never admit it... none of the tight-turner driver's will, it would be a slap to thier "skill".  None the less, a Ho is a Ho is a Ho... just because you can get your ride around tighter than the next guy does not make it something other than what it is.

[betty]

ok, this is just my opinion, but first thing i thought when i seen humbles pic he posted was that it was a " high deflection shot " that was first thing. i agree with kermit, not only because he's a squadie and a friend but he is the one that taught me alot bout flyin and this game and acm's.  i also agree with batfink that kermit would own 90% of yall, you guys got to remember one thing...kermit doesnt get the recognition that he deserves and he's quiet bout when he's fighting...but its the quiet ones u have to watch out for. just my 2 cents.

[Husky01]

ok, this is just my opinion, but first thing i thought when i seen humbles pic he posted was that it was a " high deflection shot " that was first thing. i agree with kermit, not only because he's a squadie and a friend but he is the one that taught me alot bout flyin and this game and acm's. i also agree with batfink that kermit would own 90% of yall, you guys got to remember one thing...kermit doesnt get the recognition that he deserves and he's quiet bout when he's fighting...but its the quiet ones u have to watch out for. just my 2 cents.

100% Agree with betty....

Now its time for bed mommy said so:(

[humble]

A "high deflection shot" is not a "HO" plain and simple. Further a two circle fight is a valid and historically correct dogfight which occured with some regularity. The shot solution depicted is every bit as valid as a scissor, overshoot or reversal in a one circle fight. Especially in the context that this fight occured. The la-7 fired on the earlier "face to face" meeting and was clearly pulling for a second shot attempt. As for kermit....well he's one of about 500 real good sticks who probably sont get the crdeit they "deserve".

[Schatzi]

I die alot. And I loose a lot of duels/fights because I rarely tend to take those high deflection shots. For reason of not wanting to HO and also for reason of my bad gunnery skills... Id miss, even if Id shoot.

But I realise that my very own "code of Honor" in the game. I do not expect anyone else to follow it. Nor do I call it out as HO if I get shot in that manner. Any time the opponent gets his guns on me is MY fault for not avoiding that.

That doesnt mean I wont get frustrated at some people that seem to do nothing more then go for a HO - extend - reverse - HO - ... rinse and repeat.

Also, I make a distinct difference between MA and DA. MA, anything goes... if im p**** off, its entirely my own frustration speaking for not flying smart enough to avoid it. (The odd exception just causing me to pick another fight).

In the DA, I definitly prefer to fight people that "do not go for the kill" as quick as possible (ie take any very high deflection shot they may get). I go to the DA to fight, not to practice my takeoffs .



I realise thats my own take on things. I never at any point expect the same thinking from anyone else.

[SkyRock]

I think I fought snaphook a few weeks ago in the MA and he didn't HO on our close merges.  I do, however, find this shot in this clip to be less than ownage!  I never feel like I owned a fella by taking this shot on him!  

[betty]

i agree with u schatzi, i dont take high deflect shots or HO shots..mainly cuz the frog yells at me if i do...hehe

also cuz i like to have a fun fight that last for a few mins. thats what the game is about to me.

[Emu]

Someone here is averaging about 2.4 posts per day.  Dang!  I think HiTech should implement a 12 step program

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by -SR-
The red baron took people out by coming in from the sun and other tactics. Im sure that seemed unfair to the people that feared him. It is a game, have some fun thats an order. Practice on your HO skills also. It can be fun.

-SR-

To be fair, the majority of the Red Baron's kills weren't fighter but rather 2 seat recce/scout planes and they weren't head on shots but coming in from the Sun at high altitude and speed.

Beware of the Hun in the Sun...


ack-ack

[humble]

Originally posted by SkyRock
I think I fought snaphook a few weeks ago in the MA and he didn't HO on our close merges.  I do, however, find this shot in this clip to be less than ownage!  I never feel like I owned a fella by taking this shot on him!  

I dont ever HO on any  merge or on any "known enemy" that i know will fly by "DA rules". that doesnt make a shot like this a "HO". In the particular context of this fight this was exactly the shot you work for. The lala had plenty of time to alter his tactic. My point was and is simply that this wasnt a HO. It also wasnt a "cheap" shot by any means. Now if its a scenario like you and I then I'd pass on that shot....because I know your not taking it either....in effect when we meet we fight "DA rules"...same with me and shreck, Greebo or a host of others. But none of "you" would have given me that look anyway. If you look at the clip I have a clear profile shot (admitidly long range) and watch him continue to pull up and in to me. I actually establish a defensive posture initially and as he continues to pull he creates a scenario where the shot I took is the best course of action for me....so i pop him. You'd have been setting up a reverse challenging me to drop my nose so you could "flip me" on the reverse:) and draw me into a (for me) nose down rolling scissors giving you the initial up leg since i dropped into the shot. Had he flown the "good fight" (a lower flatter reverse forcing a true "top down" shot) then he'd have forced me to break away or accept a losing scissors fight.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Tumor
It's a HO.  Slightly more acceptable than the typical long distance joust... but it's still a HO.  Good 38 drivers'll never admit it... none of the tight-turner driver's will, it would be a slap to thier "skill".  None the less, a Ho is a Ho is a Ho... just because you can get your ride around tighter than the next guy does not make it something other than what it is.

If you can get your plane to turn tighter to take advantage of your better turning radius as opposed to the better turn rate of the other plane which will force the other plane to cross your nose in a turn is not a HO shot but a perfect deflection angle shot.   You can argue all you want that it's a HO shot but the facts will prove you wrong.


ack-ack

[hubsonfire]

You can shoot him, he can't shoot you. By my lowly, Joe Averagecartoonpilot standards, that's a good solution.

[pluck]

i usually never HO, unless upping from capped base, someone trying to vulch, or in a fight with several cons trying to kill me and it seems like a good option.  one shot, that i will never ever pass up, is a shot where the con continues to pull into me to put him nose to nose.  you have that position, i'm gonna stand my ground there and open up.  i don't care who is going to call it a HO, it is one fight that con will not win....they lost already if in that position.  just my experience from that situation nothing really positive comes from it.....if he keeps coming around, maybe you will be the one screaming HO dweeb.  some may not like this shot, but rarely do i fight in an area where prolonged fights last before someone else and 5 of his buddies are making me next on their list.....none of which have any problems with opening with the HO.  HOing is part of air combat, it is risky and somewhat suicidal in AH.  i would prefer to utilize my time instead of wasting it on a HO, just not that great of a tactic, though sometimes you gotta work with what you got.

[KONG1]

This IS a HO