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Offline AWMac

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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2007, 02:53:51 PM »
Isn't Al Gore already claiming that the Republicans stole the Presidency in '08...

Dammm Just before Jeb announced he was running for the office.

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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2007, 02:53:54 PM »
I always for for what a candidate isn't.  

ie:  Are they the incumbent?  Nope...great.

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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2007, 05:27:54 PM »
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He's 100% dem when it comes to gun control.

I see no reason to vote for him given his voting record. That aside, I don't know how the democratic party tollerates hillary. This kind of smear campaign should be frowned on inside the party. Unfortunately, it's the only way people know how to run a campaign anymore. I'm waiting for MT to come in and start spouting off about how the republicans started this one and the Dems don't usually resort to this type of stuff and wonder why everyone hates hillary so much.


If that smear campaign came from Hillary I would agree with you. Unfortunately there is absolutely nothing to suggest it did.

read this, then get back to me.

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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2007, 06:38:36 PM »
Well, consider it fortunate or unfortunate, but the background investigation was conducted by folks within the Democratic Party, and "sources within the party" have identified "researchers connected to Senator Clinton" as the instigator of the investigation.

"In late 2006, when the Illinois senator demonstrated his intention to run for president, the Clinton campaign ordered a background check on Mr. Obama, the sources said. Earlier this week, Mr. Obama established an exploratory committee, the first step toward a formal race."

Now you can take "sources" to mean that her hands are clean of this if you like.  Personally I highly doubt anyone would be pinning it on her if there wasn't a good chance its true.  I could be wrong.  Considering he is the best threat on the boards to keep her from even running, I'd probably have done the same in her shoes.  Heck, I think it needed to be done.  He's the one who made a big deal last year over his trip to Kenya and his ties to his father's family there.  The fact that he never bothered with them until he became a political bigshot who got to speak at the national Dem. Convention is irrellevant.  He brought it up, the history is fair game for dissection.  If there are things he'd rather NOT come out, his bad.

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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2007, 07:00:00 PM »
Hillary and Obama go down in flaming plane wreck = USA is teh w1nn3r!!!1
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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2007, 07:10:17 PM »
Neither has any chance of winning their party's nomination. I don't think the Democrats have forgotten their Mondale/Ferraro ticket. Nominating either of these would just give the Republicans a landslide victory in 2008. Both are unelectable.

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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2007, 07:19:26 PM »
Just what the Dems need I think, a commie skank, and a crypto-islamist.
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« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2007, 08:00:33 PM »
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If that smear campaign came from Hillary I would agree with you. Unfortunately there is absolutely nothing to suggest it did.

read this, then get back to me.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=25060
THAT'S SWEET! EVEN MORE ANONYMOUS SOURCES! IT HAS TO BE A RIGHT WING HACK JOB!!!

That damn Rev. Sun Myung Moon.

Give it time MT. you'll come around.

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« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2007, 08:32:20 PM »
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Skuzzy,

I personally vote based on what the candidates say, not the media reports.  I watch their speeches, watch the debates, read the words they write and say on the various issues.

The media is often useful to bring the candidate's words to me, but I do go out and actively ensure I'm getting more than just some carefully chosen snippets that could be used to present a biased picture.

That's why it's important to watch the various speeches and debates, not just the reporting done on the events.  That's what VCRs, tivo, etc. are for...  So you can watch the whole thing instead of the filtered versions.

That's why, even now, I still watch the entire president's state of the union address... I know I can't trust the opposition's response (they're almost always argumentative and overly partisan to the point of stupidity) or the media summaries so I have to sit through the whole thing myself.

Silly man. Everyone knows Politicians "preach to the coir" better than any preacher on the planet. ;)

Its an itching ears type thing.

It’s what is done and their record long before they are in your face giving speeches and so forth.

The problem is, we as a nation wait till the midnight hour before we start doing our homework.

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« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2007, 09:13:42 PM »
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middle America will not put either of those two dingleberries into the oval office. . .
I dunno -- Illinois is fairly middle America, and they elected him and :eek: Dick Durbin :eek: as senators.

What will be interesting in general is how Obama will react to being truly challenged for the first time.  Since the Illinois Republican Party imploded with the Gov. Ryan scandals, it isn't like they had the wherewithal to do it during his senate coronation.  My gut says he won't be able to handle it - but what do I know?
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« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2007, 09:21:32 PM »
Hey MT... a couple of questions for you:

1) Would hillary do any kind of background check on an opponent?

2) In the situation where the opponent is running under a campaign of bridging gaps and not alienating voters, how would you question his background without looking petty?

3) What is the easiest way to prove/disprove this story?

4) Why a moonie press publication?

I enjoy the right-wing conspiracy theory enough to come up with my own left-wing conspiracy theory.

Hillary had the story planted with this publication because it would be very easy for them to dismiss as bipartisan and would have the following effects: It would bring Obama's past into question in a manner that didn't make Hillary look like the instigator, it would cause people to scrutinize Obama's past a little more than might have been done before the story, it will make it look like the republicans planted the story.

I dunno... The story's unfounded, but there's so many people you could blame it on.

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« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2007, 09:41:50 PM »
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I dunno -- Illinois is fairly middle America, and they elected him and :eek: Dick Durbin :eek: as senators.
 


Illinois is Chicago country.  You remember Chicago , thats where dead people still vote.

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« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2007, 09:52:37 PM »
and have done so for well over one hundred years.

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« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2007, 10:04:52 PM »
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Illinois is Chicago country.  You remember Chicago , thats where dead people still vote.
While a good point, the margins of victory in statewide campaigns are too large to be completely due to fraud.

And the state was electing Dem senators for a long time even while having Republican governors.

So, back to storch's point, "middle america" might not like people like Obama or Hillary, but middle america is in effect shrinking in relation to the rest of the country.  In the past, you had to win over "middle america" to get elected.  It just isn't true anymore.  IL, MI, OH, MN and WI are all more "Northeast" than "Midwest" anymore, Florida is becoming a suburb of overaged New Yorkers, and at times it seems California has already extended into Colorado.

So, we have the reverse of what storch is talking about.  It isn't enough that one candidate is distasteful to a large portion of the country.  "Voting against" just doesn't cut it.  The opponent will have to find a way (through platform or personality) to be appealing to those outside of "middle america" and thus turn enough votes to get elected.

Relying on "everyone hates Hillary" to keep her out of office just won't work IMO.
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« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2007, 10:09:47 PM »
Ahhh, Chicago.  Vote early, vote often.