Author Topic: Anybody Using Vista? (Read 10640 times)

Mini D · « **Reply #225 on:** April 01, 2007, 03:31:14 PM »

See Rule #4

Irwink! · « **Reply #226 on:** April 01, 2007, 04:19:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I have a problem when anyone comes into the the forums and makes blanket statements about how good Vista is. All of a sudden, I get phone calls and emails raking me over the coals as people read these things and it sets thier perspective.

With said perspective set, they go ballistic when it does not run right and they blame us (HTC) for the problems.

So, whenever anyone remotely alludes to Vista being peachy-keen, I will be right behind them to help reduce the expectation that something like that sets.

And it is not matter of what you like. MS is forcing this down everyone's throat. Of course, as a monopoly they can do that.

I'm assuming that was directed at me? If so please direct to me to where I have made a blanket statement about how good or peachy keen Vista is.

Mini D · « **Reply #227 on:** April 01, 2007, 04:28:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I have a problem when anyone comes into the the forums and makes blanket statements about how good Vista is. All of a sudden, I get phone calls and emails raking me over the coals as people read these things and it sets thier perspective.

With said perspective set, they go ballistic when it does not run right and they blame us (HTC) for the problems.

So, whenever anyone remotely alludes to Vista being peachy-keen, I will be right behind them to help reduce the expectation that something like that sets.

Anyone reading this thread has read good and bad and can decide for themselves. Nothing here even remotely suggests HTC "endorses" Vista. Hell, there's an entire running AH under LINUX tutorial thread that has gone unmolested by someone that seems to believe he only replies out of an obligation to HTC.

Reading your posts, Windows 2000 and LINUX would be "recommended by HTC".

Skuzzy · « **Reply #228 on:** April 01, 2007, 04:29:32 PM »

I did not say you made a blanket statement. But you alluded to Vista being fine. It is not fine, by a long shot.

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Originally posted by Mini D
Anyone reading this thread has read good and bad and can decide for themselves. Nothing here even remotely suggests HTC "endorses" Vista. Hell, there's an entire running AH under LINUX tutorial thread that has gone unmolested by someone that seems to believe he only replies out of an obligation to HTC.

Reading your posts, Windows 2000 and LINUX would be "recommended by HTC".

Well then you can answer the calls about Vista and support emails I have to deal with. If a recommendation for an OS is to be made, then it would be 2000 or XP. They both are far more stable than Vista, at this time, and they both run the game very well.

Vista is a crapshoot, at this time. Will it get better? I hope so. But will it ever be as fast as XP on the same hardware? I doubt it.

Laurie · « **Reply #229 on:** April 01, 2007, 04:33:33 PM »

My old man uses Vista on his Alienware desktop and just finds it to be a snail with 'racing stripes' on it's shell. i would have to agree, i am going to stick with my windows xp media edition for the time being. it's slightly more 'vista,ish' thatn xp home edition but stil speedy. and can't see the piont in paying the money when my current operating system works nicely and does what i need it to without hogging all the CPU's attention lol.

Connection · « **Reply #230 on:** April 01, 2007, 09:50:41 PM »

So we cannot say positive things about Vista? I think this is going a little too far.

Puck · « **Reply #231 on:** April 01, 2007, 10:32:23 PM »

Vista has advantages; I just can't think of any right now. If you want eye candy get a Mac; Vista is 5 years behind with interface, 15 years behind the kernel, and will never get close to the efficiency. MacOS is just another X-Windows, not unlike Gnome or KDE.

Skuzzy's just frustrated by people who buy Vista and think the problems are caused by the software (AH in this case). Microsloth encourages that behavior to the point of actually SAYING the problem is not theirs, when the fact is Vista STILL uses a VMS kernel and is only about 2/3rds baked.

If you can run it with no hiccups, GREAT! More power to you. Wait a few months. Linked libraries, like gravity, will get you eventually.

Wes14 · « **Reply #232 on:** April 01, 2007, 10:56:02 PM »

Vista is teh rock:rolleyes:

Psyche

is this how skuzz feels about vista

sorry about the gore on the above if it offended you

Roscoroo · « **Reply #233 on:** April 02, 2007, 12:06:38 AM »

Skuzzy never said anything to the regards of running AH in a linux enviroment and pritty much left linux users to there own means ... The same thing for mac .

I'm shure you guys will get some support for Vista ,,, but i wouldnt expect to much until they get the driver bugs and truly figure out how to get Vista to "step aside" when you open a game . then again they may never let Directx take over vista enough to even make it a good gaming platform at all .

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #234 on:** April 02, 2007, 01:38:25 AM »

I for one will continue to use XP for years to come. Even if they stop activating it - where there's a will there's a way.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #235 on:** April 02, 2007, 06:17:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Connection
So we cannot say positive things about Vista? I think this is going a little too far.

Never said no one could. But, depending on what you say and/or how you say it, you could mislead someone.

I use Vista everyday now. I have yet to find anything that Vista will do, XP cannot do. And there are many things XP does better than Vista. Like run our game better (less overhead, smoother game play. The DirectX 'Hardware Abstraction Layer' has been dumped for all versions of DirectX, except DirectX 10, resulting in poorer performance for any non-DirectX 10 game). Better sound card support (MS yanked the DirectSound API. Creative Labs is being forced to resurrect it, but it will only work for Creative Labs sound cards now). Better overall administrative support (try shutting down security center now, or the software license background process and watch what happens). I could on for quite some time.

I have to deal with people, on a daily basis, who cannot get the game to run under Vista, at all. It is frustrating for me not to be able to help them.

So, someone comes in here and reads the wonderful praises for Vista and decides to go for it. Then they find the game does not work on thier system and we are out a customer. That reality plays itself out everyday. It is very frustrating. What any one of you fail to realize is that there are many computers out there which are having extremely difficult times with Vista.

I have to deal with them everyday. There are serious problems I cannot find work-arounds for. As we are stuck with this OS, HTC has to suffer through a period of time where people will not be able to subscribe as they, nor I, can get the game to work on thier computer.

So when I appear to jump on someone for saying nice things about Vista, it is strictly from the frustration of how much this is actually costing HTC (and me). How many of you would be so quick to be content with something that is having a negative impact on your livelihood?

republic · « **Reply #236 on:** April 02, 2007, 08:21:19 AM »

5 Good things about Vista:

The box Vista comes in is very pretty, especially my Ultimate Edition box. I would say that the Vista box performs 83% better than the XP box in a variety of aplications.

#1. It's plastic, it can endure moisture 100% better than the flimsy cardboard XP box.

#2. Customizable to your wallet. If you wallet is light, there's a green version for you, if you have a corporate account, there's a blue box, and if you have the benefit of someone else buying it for you for "evaluation purposes" there's the magnificent black box.

#3. No giant explosion graphics exclaiming "Now with more cow bell!!!"

#4. Opening the box is a fun activity for the whole family, even grandma!

#5. One corner is rounded! I mean...it's GENIUS!!! You think it's a square at first but the...BAM! Microsoft just slapped you with innovation*!!!

*No actual innovation contained or implied therein hitherto ad nauseum associated with Vista and or any Microsoft(R) products.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #237 on:** April 02, 2007, 09:06:29 AM »

Hehe, good one republic.

Wes14 · « **Reply #238 on:** April 02, 2007, 09:56:11 AM »

don't forget that u can whack people upside the head with the vista box as well

and i wont be getting vista for a long time,heck my system is so weak that it only maxes out at about 20fps on AH with XP

oh yea if bill gates ever comes to HTC just throw a vista computer at him

Kev367th · « **Reply #239 on:** April 02, 2007, 02:35:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Reading your posts, Windows 2000 and LINUX would be "recommended by HTC".

Well at least 2000 has a proper thread handler that works, unlike Vista.

Vista locks a thread to a core / CPU because MS either -
a) Couldn't fix the thread handler.
b) Couldn't be bothered fixing the thread handler.

2000 will float threads between cores / CPU's to balance the load as it changes.

Even XP's thread handler is marginally better than Vistas.

Noticed Dell have now gone back to offering Win XP on new laptops in place of Vista.
wonder why? teehee.