Author Topic: Global Warming (Read 16303 times)

Angus · « **Reply #255 on:** February 06, 2007, 09:35:38 AM »

Since you like so much using the word stupid, try to get this one...
If the sun is increasing it's activity (of which some is a blessing, caught by photosyntesis), greenhouse gases add to the equation, making things even more serious. So it should read, "Oh, s#1T, it's the bloody sun on top of it"
Anyway, that one categorizes as something we can't do anything around.
It's not just the sun "fill in a word equalling stupid"

lazs2 · « **Reply #256 on:** February 06, 2007, 02:53:24 PM »

by.... "ITS THE SUN STUPID"

I mean just that. The only real measurable effects on global warming is by the sun... it is heating us up at a measurable rate... a real number... Not "contributing" no "significant" or "massive" but a real number.

Now... you get back to me when you can give me some numbers on what we are producing, in what quantities that is contributing to global warming by... and this is most important... how much.

If we all left the planet today... how much would it change the global warming?

global cooling? I say... not even enough to think about compared to the sun.

It is like peeing in the ocean and you telling me I am "contributing" "significant" or "massive" to the ocean getting saltier.

Don't you feel like a sucker? seriously? If they know so much about it they will know when global warming will be a problem and... how much we could delay it by stopping all human activity.

They don't know diddly.... they didn't know anything about it in 76 and they don't know anything about it now... we didn't have the worst hurricane season in history... they made that up to fool the suckers...

They can't predict next years weather or next years sun activity... meanwhile... we are having record cold spells in the east.

lazs

Curval · « **Reply #257 on:** February 06, 2007, 03:19:20 PM »

Angus...waste management guys are experts on global warming and have every right to call you stupid.

Yes it is not a respectful way to respond to a fellow board member...but he's waste mangement.

Also, it has nothing to do with the fact that he simply sees the issue as a threat to his cars....he's waste management...he knows.

straffo · « **Reply #258 on:** February 06, 2007, 05:38:52 PM »

lazs2 what about providing the beginning of a proof of your assertion ?

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #259 on:** February 06, 2007, 05:56:42 PM »

Lazs assertion about the sun?

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Inferred variations in solar intensity (red and green lines) over the last 900 years appear to be related to the severity of winters in London and Paris. The red line is deduced from the abundance of a heavy form of carbon (carbon-14) in tree rings. This "isotope" of carbon is formed in the upper atmosphere when incoming cosmic rays smash into carbon dioxide molecules. When the Sun's activity is low, its weakened magnetic field lets more cosmic rays into the solar system, so carbon-14 abundances go up. (Notice on the graph that the scale for carbon-14 is upside down.) This image by scientist John Eddy is based on an earlier one that appeared in Science, 192, 1189 (1976).

ghi · « **Reply #260 on:** February 06, 2007, 07:10:00 PM »

Scientists offered 10 000 $ to dispute climate study

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #261 on:** February 06, 2007, 07:23:17 PM »

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From the above linked article:
Ben Stewart of Greenpeace said: "The AEI is more than just a thinktank, it functions as the Bush administration's intellectual Cosa Nostra. They are White House surrogates in the last throes of their campaign of climate change denial. They lost on the science; they lost on the moral case for action. All they've got left is a suitcase full of cash."

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An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument.

john9001 · « **Reply #262 on:** February 06, 2007, 07:30:46 PM »

the north east is setting record low temps, global warming is hell.

E25280 · « **Reply #263 on:** February 06, 2007, 11:00:39 PM »

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Ben Stewart of Greenpeace said: "The AEI is more than just a thinktank, it functions as the Bush administration's intellectual Cosa Nostra. They are White House surrogates in the last throes of their campaign of climate change denial. They lost on the science; they lost on the moral case for action. All they've got left is a suitcase full of cash."
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An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument.
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While true, I would have just called it another "pot meets kettle" moment.

How does Greenpeace make its money? How do they spend their money? All the scientists supporting man-made global warming theories get their money from where?

So, lets see if an analogy will help. A plaintiff hires a lawyer to sue someone. The defendant in return hires a defense attorney.

During the trial the defense attorney makes a logical argument in support of his client's innocence. In return, the plaintiff's lawyer says, "Yeah, well, you can't believe anything he says. After all, the defendant is paying him."

So, we should believe the plaintiff's lawyer why?

ghi · « **Reply #264 on:** February 07, 2007, 12:50:10 AM »

I don't belive in the report about "major human factor" in Global Warming

But after i read the link above, looks like modern "Catholic Inquisition" tactics;

You know the rumors about new sources of energy , discovered years ago, but scientist were "silenced" or paied by goverments and oil companies to shut up: Maybe is true,:(

straffo · « **Reply #265 on:** February 07, 2007, 02:32:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Lazs assertion about the sun?

Sorry but you're not Lazs , I did ask lazs not you.

Plus I'm curious to see how a document ending in 1900 can discard the human intervention in warming .

Especially when knowing the major increase of the C0² production is post 1900.

That's dishonest Holden.

Angus · « **Reply #266 on:** February 07, 2007, 08:16:56 AM »

A little addition on the graph.
The winter severity in London and Paris as well as cooler summers and bad crops) at the end of the18th century has been linked with a massive 3-year volcanic eruption in Iceland 1783-1786, - the biggest eruption on the globe for thousands of years. Recent surveys actually indicate that the effect was causing serious trouble all the way down to Egypt.
Yes, the volcanoes cause dimming, which causes cooling.
Apart from that, I'm also curious to see how a document ending in 1900 can discard the human intervention in warming......

lazs2 · « **Reply #267 on:** February 07, 2007, 08:48:42 AM »

This is hilarious... Now you are telling us that the saintly "scientific community" is nothing but a bunch of potatos who will give anyone with the money any conclusion that is wanted?

That is exactly what I was saying. Did you read the letters cited? Scientists are being denied money for not jumping on the "man made global warming" band wagon... they risk their careers by not going along with the chicken littles..

But... so what? I don't care who paid em... let's look at what they got. The global warming socialists scientists had their say... they blew it with their nebulous hand wringing and lack of hard data.. Why are so many afraid of data? If it is wrong attack the data not the scientist or the people who paid em. Hell.. 10k is a drop in the bucket compared to what the UN has invested in the study they bought and the scientists they paid for.

Now... other scientists... funded by people with a stake in not letting the hand wringers control the whole show... well... they come up with their own data and conclusions that shows in a much more sensible way that the hand wringers are making way too much of nothing. that.....

ITS THE SUN STUPID

Now... I am sorry that some of you feel that I am calling you out as being stupid... that was not my intent... the comment.

ITS THE SUN STUPID

is a bumper sticker one.. a soundbite... like an al gore movie... but with substance... if you are offended... then you are simply starting to feel the burn of being a

SUCKER.

I see no proof that we are changing global warming in any way that matters... not the lack of scientific terms here.... "significant" "massive" "contributing" so.... "matters" fits right in. It has just as much meaning and is just as true.. Man doesn't contribute enough to "matter"

But... no one answered... when is doomsday if we don't do anything and.... how many minutes can we delay doomsday if we all just slit our throats today?

Seem like simple questions to me. Where are the answers?

Toad · « **Reply #268 on:** February 07, 2007, 08:48:53 AM »

Quick! Let's fire off a volcano and save the world!

lazs2 · « **Reply #269 on:** February 07, 2007, 09:15:37 AM »

Ya know... that makes more sense than some of the other hand wringing panic driven suggestions.

If you spill a cup of gasoline while filling the lawn mower... you put more pollution in the air than $2000 additional smog controls on already clean cars will save in a year... in fact... the nozzles at the gas stations that the handwringers mandated us to use in a big panic rash of legislation... they put more pollution into the air than the old ones.

The MTBE they paniced into our gas is killing the water supply... It is costing vast fortunes to get rid of now.

Maybe as "waste management" I might know a little about "remediation" of MTBE sites... you can all look it up if you don't believe me... it costs up to a million dollars a site. People have lost their life savings and after they are bled dry... the taxpayer takes up the slack...

The history of the panic mongers doing the wrong thing and making things worse is all around us.... the history of them never ever never ever being right about global climate doom and gloom is right there in front of you

SUCKERS

After a few decades of this in my short but interesting life... I gotta tell ya.... Saying "I told you so" is little compensation for all the harm these doom and gloom scientists do.

I want to hear both sides if there are two (or more) sides to it. I don't care who is paying who so long as the data is solid.

Why are the hand wringers so afraid of data? They admit that it hurts their cause... it only "hurts" their cause if their case is weak..

I contend that it is not only weak but.... too weak to even worry about at this point.

What would be the gain of only allowing one side of the arguement? How "scientific" is that?

lazs