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« Reply #210 on: February 03, 2007, 10:07:22 AM »
The money needs to be spent on space exploration so when the time comes we can find another home.  The only responsibility we have as humans is the make sure our children are smarter and stronger then we are, even if we have to modify their DNA to survive on another planet.
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« Reply #211 on: February 03, 2007, 10:39:03 AM »
Check out this interesting read .

I reads just like a lot of the stuff you see today, only backwards.

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« Reply #212 on: February 03, 2007, 10:55:56 AM »
yep donzo... I was alive and reading that crap when it was happening... I had to listen to all the sheep bleating out "of please save us noble scientists"

Look at the key phrases...  the snow pack changing... the world wide famine.... The tipping point... the 1% change in sun spot and sun activity.  The "conference of scientists to discuss the crisis"...

If you don't learn from your past and continue to listen to the doomsayers... you will repeat your mistakes... the ice age fell flat... let's try heating em up this time and see if we can squeeze some more expensive lab time outta the deal.

Man... I guess if god had not wanted you guys sheared... he wouldn't have made you sheep.

What a blast from the past reading that article...  

Anyone dig up the ones about kalifornia falling into the sea or the world wide global winter carl frigging sagan tried to foist off a decade or so ago?   How bout the mount saint hellens doom and gloom stuff or... the end of yosemite for our lifetimes?

what a bunch of myopic suckers we all are.

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« Reply #213 on: February 03, 2007, 12:38:04 PM »
I attended a seminar at my physics faculty last week. The lecturer pretty much destroyed the claim that CO2 emission, caused by human activity, is the source of global warming.

Yes, CO2 levels correlate perfectly with global temperatures, BUT they are the symptom - not the cause. It is the temperature that raise CO2 levels, not the other way around.

It's quite simple: most of the earth's CO2 is dissolved in the oceans. A small fraction is in the atmosphere. The system is at near equilibrium. If you produce more CO2, most of it will be dissolved in the oceans and you barely change the global atmospheric CO2 levels. However, as with all chemical reactions, the ratios depend on the temperature and tends towards the gaseous phase as temperatures increase.

There are a lot of reasons to reduce CO2 emissions, but fighting global warming is not one of them. The fault lies else where.
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« Reply #214 on: February 03, 2007, 02:29:56 PM »
Looks like its time for this again

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« Reply #215 on: February 03, 2007, 02:41:15 PM »
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Ahem.
Firstly:
"The tropics receive 1000x more solar radiation than the Antarctic."
No. Same applies to the Northern territories.

Secondly:
"You say it was a problem... well, not really... unless you sunbathe in the Antarctic in September"

That's why I said that had the gap been over...say Texas (especially with already 1000 times as much solar radiation,,,even just 100) it WOULD have been a problem. Ant the high season for sun in the Antartica would be..December BTW. On the North, June, where the sun shines twice as long as on the equador....


First off, it takes sunlight to make ozone - thats why you have more of it over the equator than you do over the poles in the first place (they sort of conveniently forget to tell you that).  So when you put up a satellite and start measuing ppm of ozone in the upper atmosphere, and then plot it in a nice color graph over a picture of the earth, you find there is more ozone over the equator than over the poles (SHOCK!  HORROR! OMFG we're all gonna DIE of radiation exposure!).  

The monkeys on this planet just don't have a clue...  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #216 on: February 03, 2007, 03:52:36 PM »
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The same scientist that gave me MTBE is now telling me that I am to blame and have to change my lifestyle and pay him to do the so called studies?

lazs
You didn't mention two other good examples:  Alar and DDT.  The scare about the former was a total hoax and the banning of the latter has caused humankind far more harm than good.
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« Reply #217 on: February 04, 2007, 11:26:42 AM »
yep... high co2 levels follow global warming they don't cause it or even preceed it.

scientists have been destroying the planet since the beginning...  no big deal.. it always recovers from their mistakes but...

I certainly don't want to listen to what they say should be done to fix things.

Here is your "inconvienent truth"......  

ITS THE SUN STUPID.

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« Reply #218 on: February 04, 2007, 11:41:36 AM »
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You didn't mention two other good examples:  Alar and DDT.  The scare about the former was a total hoax and the banning of the latter has caused humankind far more harm than good.
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« Reply #219 on: February 04, 2007, 11:49:29 AM »
This is just getting hilarious.  Sort of a Monty Python skit. :lol
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« Reply #220 on: February 04, 2007, 12:25:40 PM »
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Check out this interesting read .

I reads just like a lot of the stuff you see today, only backwards.


The problem is, that's an article in Time magazine. Time magazine has never been regarded as a science journal, it's a news magazine. As sources for the story, they quote a couple of university profs no one has ever heard of.

Now, you can read reports about global warming from the vast majority of climate scientists, published in peer reviewed science journals.

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First off, it takes sunlight to make ozone - thats why you have more of it over the equator than you do over the poles in the first place (they sort of conveniently forget to tell you that). So when you put up a satellite and start measuing ppm of ozone in the upper atmosphere, and then plot it in a nice color graph over a picture of the earth, you find there is more ozone over the equator than over the poles (SHOCK! HORROR! OMFG we're all gonna DIE of radiation exposure!).

The monkeys on this planet just don't have a clue...


Or it could be that the scientists studying the ozone layers over the poles actually know that, and weren't expecting to find as much ozone as at the equator. What's alarmed them is that ozone in the upper atmosphere has been declining quite sharply since the 60s. Here, for example, is the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration's graph of ozone levels over the Antarctic:


If you go to the website, they've got graphs of historical data for a lot of measuring sites around the world, almost all show a similar trend (although the Antarctic is more pronounced than most.)

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   yep... high co2 levels follow global warming they don't cause it or even preceed it.


That's one of the things that worries the scientists. Higher temperatures have increased Co2 levels in the past, which is a positive feedback loop.

The effect of atmospheric CO2 in trapping heat is well known, of course. The past examples of warming did not have man taking the vast amounts of carbon that had been sequestered out of the atmosphere hundreds of millions of years ago, burning it, and adding it back to the atmosphere over a tiny period of time.

As a side note, what has happened to America? When I was a child, America was synonymous with science. Americans went to the moon, sent probes to Saturn, pushed the boundaries in physics and chemistry and biology. When you thought of progress and scientific advances you thought of America.

Now America seems to be turning it's back on science, arguing that evolution is "just a theory", restricting stem cell research, ignoring any science that has unwelcome conclusions.

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« Reply #221 on: February 04, 2007, 01:35:59 PM »
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As a side note, what has happened to America?

God has happened to America. Or to be exact, a bunch of people speaking in his name.
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« Reply #222 on: February 04, 2007, 04:46:31 PM »
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Summary for Policymakers: The Science of Climate Change - IPCC Working Group I
Our ability to quantify the human influence on global climate is currently limited because the expected signal is still emerging from the noise of natural variability, and because there are uncertainties in key factors. [/b]These include the magnitude and patterns of long_term natural variability and the time _evolving pattern of forcing by, and response to, changes in concentrations of greenhouse gases and aerosols, and land surface changes. Nevertheless, the balance of evidence suggests that there is a discernible human influence on global climate.


It only suggests?  I thought it was a dead bang certainty... I mean with the consensus of the scientific community......
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« Reply #223 on: February 04, 2007, 09:59:01 PM »
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I dunno skuzzy... in some ways it may be even simpler than that..

In all of this.. the alarmists.. the ones who want big brother to do something NOW before some of us boil and some of us freeze....

Well.. they all say that we are "contributing" to global warming... this is a little less precise than is needed to get up a real good scare worthy of lifestyle changes and money in their coffers sooooo..

They have escalated to using the even more scientific term of "significant" to describe mans contribution.

Like the old song goes.. "they tell me it will kill me but they won't say when"..

On the other side.. (and I am one of those)  we have seen science politicized many times in order to raise its own funding or importance... they are as hungry for the spotlight as the worst movie star these "scientists"  we have also seen them fall flat on their face in the most dire of their predictions..

The "consensus" of "scientists in the 70's warned of global ice age that was a mere 30 years off...  I am sure a lot of money was dumped down that rat hole...

The horrific hurricane season that never happened this year...   Hell... the consensus was out to kill galeleo.

continents move... pluto isn't a planet and we have no ice age or horrific hurrican season and the "scientists" still can't cure the common cold or tell you what the weather will be next year.

then... in the end...  they still won't tell us what to do if we go into a global ice age next time around.

I think I will wait till I see something better than "consensus" or "significant effect we think"

If you are really frieghtened...  I would suggest sending a check to whatever whacko researcher that scares you the most.

lazs


Im surprised you think your car will start:)
I'm really having a hard time understanding the right's or libertarians  contempt for science and rationality.   The righties seem
to me to be 100% biased ideology all the time.  I was just sitting here
watching Waxman's Senate hearings on the Bush administration's multitude of nefarious attempts to censure and rewrite government scientists' papers on global climate change.  There is a long list of scientists who are waiting in line to testify about how the Bushies rewrote their publications in order to try to negate the science that said that global warming was a fact and that it was caused by humans.  Yet, rather than put the taxpayer dollar into validating the scientific methodology, they put billions of our tax dollars into attempting to censor and rewrite the science.
Id rather have some missteps as to ice ages than listen to some who fear science and think the rapture is coming to save them.

Changing gears for those who have slammed dems,liberals in this thread :
So explain to me how the dems could possible spend as much as your beloved right has spent in the last 6 years. During Clinton we had just gotten out of the mess Reagan made. And by the way your spending is far from over.
The dems arent in charge yet. They control the house but since they dont march in goose step like the right the senate isnt theirs.

The American electorate should be ashamed for having been so moronic as to have voted these felonious republican nitwits and cheats into office.

But I know your answer is, "Its the dems fault":)
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« Reply #224 on: February 04, 2007, 10:37:18 PM »
i have been doing my own unfunded study on global climatic trends.

my findings are in 1950 the record high temp in January in Pittsburgh,Pa. was 73 deg F, the record low temp in January in Pittsbugh,Pa. in 1985 was -22 deg F.

my noncomputer model shows a record high in 1950 and a record low in 1985, i can only conclude that we are heading into to a new ice age.

these numbers are verifiable and can not be challenged.