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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #690 on: March 20, 2007, 02:09:46 PM »
fstfwd.. I did not say ban the jets..  I said that you can't ban SUV's and not ban the jets.  

I don't think any ban is needed.   I think the man made global warming scare is a swindle and I do believe that margret thatcher used was one of the perpetrators of the swindle so that she could get nuke power and do away with the pesky coal minors and their unions.

carl sagan was a blowhard and chicken little who was wrong about the kuwait oil fires just as he was about man made global warming... the man was a joke.

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« Reply #691 on: March 20, 2007, 02:35:56 PM »
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Hardly. It was 1987. She was already at the top of her career and had just won her third general election victory with an unassailable majority in the house of commons. In September of that year, a meeting was held in Montreal to debate CFC usage and possibly limit their use.
 

Yea like she is not going to go back on a previous position.:rolleyes:
She is a politician  first and foremost, it will be a cold day in hell before she changes position.

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« Reply #692 on: March 21, 2007, 04:29:28 AM »
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Remember Hitech's analysis of the ENY balancing whines? He observed, correctly in my view, that the suggestions the whiners came up with all came under the heading of "Not impact me". Here, I see calls for bans on jets by people who don't use them, but the same people would object if THEY had to change THEIR lifestyles.

just sayin'



So..........you are saying no bans/no limitations............on anything....right?

You are "just sayin`"?

We call it S or get off the pot. :)
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« Reply #693 on: March 21, 2007, 08:24:57 AM »
yep... I would agree with the hand wringers if they simply said that we didn't have to ban anything and that the free market would take care of the "problem".

I would still believe that "man made global warming" is about 99.5% swindle and that even banning jets would have no effect other than to collapse economies but... we could at least wring our hands together and breath a sigh of relief when the next cooling event came along...

until it started getting cold for a few years in a row of course... then we would have to wring our hands and tear our hair and rend our garments in agony again over "man made global cooling"   offer up some sacrafices to the gods of science and politics....

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« Reply #694 on: March 21, 2007, 10:50:33 AM »
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until it started getting cold for a few years in a row of course... then we would have to wring our hands and tear our hair and rend our garments in agony again over "man made global cooling"   offer up some sacrafices to the gods of science and politics....

lazs


Hehe. Yep...............billyuuuuun s and billyuuuuuuns of them. :)
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« Reply #695 on: March 21, 2007, 11:05:53 AM »
This thread reminds me of the south park beaverton dam episode.




All the hand wringers are standing up and saying "I broke the Dam".:rofl
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« Reply #696 on: March 22, 2007, 06:21:08 AM »
Hello my dear fellows ;)

Tell you what. I watched the Gore movie! Finally.
Man made global warming = Swindle?

IMHO nope, and I realized that what I have stated so far is a bunch of understatements compared to Gore. While sticking to my own conclusions, he still added some interesting facts to the equation that I suspected, but didn't know of. The two that stick out are these:

1: CO2 emission from forests being burned down are 30% of the whole.
2: The Antarctica is actually knocking off incredibly big bits at a very high rate.

While I suspected no1, no2 got me shocked.

And this one:
"yep... I would agree with the hand wringers if they simply said that we didn't have to ban anything and that the free market would take care of the "problem"."

This describes a narrow mind. Which "free" market? Has the "free" market taken care of many problems that were stopped with force? Name some.
IMHO the free market will not take any initiative while the cow is milking. However, when guided by the cirkumstances (i.e. fossil fuel is waaaayyy tooo expensive), the free market improvises and responds formidably fast.
The frew market is the crewmember, not the captain, and right now the ship is sinking while those two fight about who's boss.
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« Reply #697 on: March 22, 2007, 08:30:58 AM »
none of that made any sense..  

What did you think of the parade of world renown scientists that algore brought into his documentary to explain just exactly how soon we would all fry in our own co2?

Were you dazzled by his prophesy of the extreme hurricane season we would see in the year after his movie?   Were you a tiny bit confused when it was the mildest in recent history?

How do you explain that at the hight of industrial age... 1940-1974 say... we had a radical drop in temp?   We went into a recession and the temp went up?

ITS THE SUN STUPID

Did you watch the "swindle" movie?   no excuse not to... it is on youtube for free and complete...  you should be able to relax if you do... real experts explain the real reasons for all your concerns...

Good news is... we should start to see a global cooling in a couple of years according to typical cycles of these minor heating and cooling cycles of which... we are going through a minor heating cycle.

When it starts to cool will you give it a rest and let us live our lives?

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« Reply #698 on: March 22, 2007, 09:16:09 AM »
So lazs, Gore is full of it, the scientists that agree with Gore are full of it, the EPA are full of it, everyone who thinks that GW is an issue are full of it.

What we all need to do is sit back and watch one show (which has already been shown to have credibility issues) and everyone can relax.  All is fine.

That is STUPID ....STUPID!
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« Reply #699 on: March 22, 2007, 09:41:54 AM »
im all for keeping an open mind about GW...  what turns me off is the politicization of the issue... and statements like "the debate about global warming is over."  


 how does a person give ANY credence to someone who looks you in the eye and tells you the debate is over when its raging all around you, with credentialed scientists on both sides?  and a politician no less....
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« Reply #700 on: March 22, 2007, 09:55:49 AM »
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im all for keeping an open mind about GW...  what turns me off is the politicization of the issue... and statements like "the debate about global warming is over."  

 Don't disagree with this at all.  You would have to admit that the exact same applies to the other end of the spectrum though.  It turns me off completely for the whole debate to boil down to "It's the sun stupid" and then to dismiss it out of hand.

 how does a person give ANY credence to someone who looks you in the eye and tells you the debate is over when its raging all around you, with credentialed scientists on both sides?  and a politician no less....

 I agree.   It applies equally to the extreme sides of the debate.

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« Reply #701 on: March 22, 2007, 09:59:07 AM »
in the meantime, Curval, another intense hurricane season is predicted, and June is just around the corner.  im dreading this.  i hope it fizzles out just like last year.
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« Reply #702 on: March 22, 2007, 10:27:51 AM »
Well Lazs, not so long ago you were saying that global warming "wasn't happening". Now you're saying it is happening and is caused by the sun. Well, that's progress I suppose. Of a sort.
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« Reply #703 on: March 22, 2007, 10:28:37 AM »
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in the meantime, Curval, another intense hurricane season is predicted, and June is just around the corner.  im dreading this.  i hope it fizzles out just like last year.


I've seen that, but as you say they said the same thing last year and we had one very very weak one.

The insurance companies had record profits last year....hmmmm.  ;)
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« Reply #704 on: March 22, 2007, 10:39:52 AM »
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how does a person give ANY credence to someone who looks you in the eye and tells you the debate is over when its raging all around you, with credentialed scientists on both sides? and a politician no less....

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I agree. It applies equally to the extreme sides of the debate.
 



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I agree. It applies equally to the extreme sides of the debate.
 


Politicians have no interest in doing nothing (no money in it and no extra power). Doing "something" on the other hand, brings them both.

"Something" is of course irrelevant. Why don't we federalize all gardeners and car mechanics, for example. It worked for the airline security, didn't it. They've created a panic, argued that only federal employees can provide security, and then hired all those incompetent, private agents, gave them a new fancy shirt and a badge, and guess what... all those incompetent boobs became competent and skilled over night.

I'm guessing it was a win-win, since I bet they "federal" now employees got some benies as well.
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