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Offline Angus

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« Reply #705 on: March 22, 2007, 11:04:52 AM »
Gore is one thing, maybe you would rather have Bush point at Antarctica?
It does not matter WHO points at it and makes it public, what is happening to the polar caps (which you guys were debating a few months ago, DEBATING) is an established fact, and one to seriously consider.
It was a parallell to this looking at the tobacco debates, and the ozon layer debates, - well sorry, but the scientists turned out to be right, and the free marked responded once new parameters had been set (in a dirty way in the case of tobacco).
Anyway, Tobacco stuff is a laughing matter compared to the size of this. And I give Mr. Gore a thumb up for posting a good picture set of Antarctica.
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« Reply #706 on: March 22, 2007, 12:17:19 PM »
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Politicians have no interest in doing nothing (no money in it and no extra power). Doing "something" on the other hand, brings them both.[/B]


Nonsense.

Politicians with strong ties to the oil industry or any heavy industry would OBVIOUSLY benefit by doing nothing.  Guess what...there's lots of those.
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« Reply #707 on: March 22, 2007, 02:08:48 PM »
fstwfwd..  I have never said that the earth doesn't heat and cool differently at different times..  I simply said that I don't believe in any significant man made global warming...  I believe that there have been naturaly cooler and warmer periods... it is warmer now than some times and cooler than others.

But...... It would appear that if you really want to do something about the environment...

GET PRENUS DRIVERS OUT OF THE HYBRIDS AND INTO SUV'S!

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/print_item.asp?NewsID=188

The hybrids are killing the planet!!!!  I think I seen a chunk of the sky fall right behind one the other day!

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« Reply #708 on: March 22, 2007, 02:29:00 PM »
Global Warming....pffffffft. Who cares???? The asteroid is going to kill us all before global warming does, but on the off chance it misses us and we do need to do something about global warming how about this....start WWIII, take out about 75-100 million people on this rock and we'll be good to go. Lets face it, if man is causing the problem, then get rid of the cause.

Oh wait, that wasn't very PC of me was it? O'well I don't care one way or the other. I'll drive my big gas guzzling truck, smoke my Marlboro's and toss the butts out the window.

Live fast, die young and leave a good looking corpse. Global warming hawks piss me off. It's all about power for them so they can tell the rest of the world how to live their way. Screw em.
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« Reply #709 on: March 22, 2007, 02:34:22 PM »
or... we could all write a check to algores company for carbon credits... a check for 15 billion would offset all of the US carbon use just as a few bucks offset his extremely wasteful and earth destroying lifestyle...  fastfwrd could make out a check for his gross and unconcienable travel behavior.

curval and others... why do you suppose there is no debate?   the guys on the side of it being a hoax are more than willing to debate in a public forum   the handwringers hide behind the UN and hollyweird...

That doesn't bother you?

It doesn't bother you that the whole man made global warming house of cards is based on the shaky co2 theory?

stupid  and again, as curval says..... STUPID.

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« Reply #710 on: March 22, 2007, 02:40:18 PM »
i got as far as this, " a standard 76 horsepower, 1.5-liter gas engine found in most cars today "

so most cars have a 76 HP motor?..... i call shenanigans.
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« Reply #711 on: March 22, 2007, 02:50:03 PM »
ah.... john.. you need to reread the sentence....

it says that the prenus is powered by a 76 hp engine and that it is GAS powered engine like that found in most cars today...  they mean only that most cars including the prius use a gas powered engine not that they all have 76 hp.

If you have ever been in or driven or...had to follow a prenus... you would realize that even 76 hp is opptomistic.

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« Reply #712 on: March 22, 2007, 04:06:49 PM »
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Gore is one thing, maybe you would rather have Bush point at Antarctica?
It does not matter WHO points at it and makes it public, what is happening to the polar caps (which you guys were debating a few months ago, DEBATING) is an established fact, and one to seriously consider.


You mean "cap", not "caps."  It is an established scientific fact that Antarctica (that is, the south polar cap) is gaining ice mass, as is the center of Greenland.  Gore's pictures of Antactica are one small area of the landmass, a peninsula which sticks out into a stream of warm air or water.  The rest of the continent is gaining ice mass.  I don't care who points things out, so long as they're honest with the facts and conclusions.  Gore's movie is simple fear mongering, a cherry picking of information, butressed by distortion.  The ice caps are just one example.  The biggest is the CO2/temperature graphs.  In reality, they show the exact opposite of what Gore asserts.  To wit, that CO2 levels follow temperature, not the other way around.  That is the hard, scientific fact.
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« Reply #713 on: March 22, 2007, 05:06:17 PM »
Lazs...you are talking about this Lord Monckton challenge right?  It is just your style to say "the guys on the side of it being a hoax are more than willing to debate in a public forum the handwringers hide behind the UN and hollyweird..." in such sweeping terms and try and make it sound as if your side is right and theirs is wrong as a result.

Just type in "Global Warming Debate" into google and see what comes up...there is debate on the subject all over the place....including RIGHT HERE.

If Gore was to show up and look bad you would claim victory.  If he looked good in the debate your mind wouldn't be changed anyway...so I just don't see how a debate like that would solve anything.
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« Reply #714 on: March 22, 2007, 05:25:19 PM »
Global warming is just a chicken little excuse for whatever politician/company/organisation want to piggy back thru it for their agenda.

You don't need global warming to use common sense and not **** where you eat.
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« Reply #715 on: March 22, 2007, 06:13:39 PM »
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If Gore was to show up and look bad you would claim victory.  If he looked good in the debate your mind wouldn't be changed anyway...so I just don't see how a debate like that would solve anything.



But waht about foofaraw?
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« Reply #716 on: March 22, 2007, 06:32:11 PM »
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But waht about foofaraw?


I don't think the issue is a fuss about nothing.  

"You don't need global warming to use common sense and not **** where you eat."

I agree entirely.  Problem is we humans do, all the time.  Figuratively and litterally.
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« Reply #717 on: March 23, 2007, 04:59:23 AM »
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To wit, that CO2 levels follow temperature, not the other way around.  That is the hard, scientific fact.
I saw that being claimed in the GGWS documentary, and while that might have been true in bygone centuries, does the pattern still hold since the industrial revolution and beyond? In those bygone centuries (250+ years ago) was there ever a time when mankind emitted 25bn tonnes of CO2 each year by burning fossil fuels?
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« Reply #718 on: March 23, 2007, 07:14:41 AM »
Sabre:
"You mean "cap", not "caps." It is an established scientific fact that Antarctica (that is, the south polar cap) is gaining ice mass, as is the center of Greenland. Gore's pictures of Antactica are one small area of the landmass, a peninsula which sticks out into a stream of warm air or water. The rest of the continent is gaining ice mass. I don't care who points things out, so long as they're honest with the facts and conclusions."

Please back this up. I have never seen anything to support this. Especially Greenland, where the local thing (That also includes local glacier experts) is that the Glacier is actually loosing mass. Same here in Iceland, (Even visible with the naked eye from where I live and in the 20 years I lived here). It would also be nice to have an explanation to one glacier growing while it's neighbour is schrinking.
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« Reply #719 on: March 23, 2007, 08:35:07 AM »
If you truly are a defender of the global warming arguements, and you want to practice what you preach, then stop taking vacations so you don't look like a hypocrit.

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