Global Warming

[lazs2]

curval.. I would love to see any debate on it... it is pretty one sided right now... Hell..  I am one of the few here who even seen both "documentaries" ...  I think algore would get slaughtered because he is simply a liar and an bellybutton in everything he does...I see no reason for this to be different.

I would much rather see a debate by the leading scientists of both views..  I have a hard time even pinning down individual scientists that think the world is ending tho... I certainly see no good arguements from the hand wringers on this board.

moot is correct.. you don't destroy when you don't need to.

But... that includes making mandates like mtbe and ddt bans and such... you can make things much worse by being compassionate... look at our welfare system..

Did you read the Hummer vs prenus article?  many here see some demonic spirit in the SUV and America in general... they see the prenus as the saviour of the planet or.. at the very least a good first step..

So... mandate that everyone drives a prenus.... what would happen?  pollution on a grand scale.    Much worse than if you mandated everyone drive an SUV...  What? you say... well.. if everyone had to drive an SUV they could at least have a choice of models that ranged from 10 mpg to over 30..  new ones are getting even better.

The hollier than tho attitude of the know nothing hand wringers is pretty disgusting to me...

The overall willingness of the media and the "scientists" to lie about "man made global warming" being so potent and..   the reliance on only one thing.... C02.. a thing that is loooking more and more shaky as this comes to light.

less hysteria and more honesty and open debate would be nice...  algore didn't debate anyone in front of congress the other day... he just made speeches and proclaimed a problem and a prophet.

That doesn't bother you guys?

lazs

[EagleDNY]

Anyone notice the news from NASA and see the new pictures of the sun's magnetic field?  With quotes like "Gee, we never knew that the magnetic field was so turbulent"  ROFL.  

Anyone that says that the science on global warming is "established" is probably full of bovine excrement.  Statistical models are worthless when key factors are not understood.  How do you figure the average temperature of a planetary body when the energy input from the star is variable?  How do you figure how much heat is trapped in the atmosphere when you can't quantify water vapor (which is the #1 greenhouse gas and biggest heat sink on the planet) in your model?  

Minor temperature variations over time are to be expected.  I'm a lot more worried about keeping our water clean of chemical and biological contaminants than I am about CO2.  All the money they are wasting on global warming would be much better spent cleaning up contaminated sites and teaching the 3rd world how not to pollute themselves to death.

EagleDNY

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by EagleDNY
Anyone notice the news from NASA and see the new pictures of the sun's magnetic field?  With quotes like "Gee, we never knew that the magnetic field was so turbulent"  ROFL.  

Anyone that says that the science on global warming is "established" is probably full of bovine excrement.  Statistical models are worthless when key factors are not understood.  How do you figure the average temperature of a planetary body when the energy input from the star is variable?  How do you figure how much heat is trapped in the atmosphere when you can't quantify water vapor (which is the #1 greenhouse gas and biggest heat sink on the planet) in your model?  

Minor temperature variations over time are to be expected.  I'm a lot more worried about keeping our water clean of chemical and biological contaminants than I am about CO2.  All the money they are wasting on global warming would be much better spent cleaning up contaminated sites and teaching the 3rd world how not to pollute themselves to death.

EagleDNY

[Angus]

"Anyone that says that the science on global warming is "established" is probably full of bovine excrement"

Anyone saying that the globe is warming however is just on spot with an established fact.

And anyone saying that mankind has no impact whatsoever on the atmosphere should climb back to his tree

[lazs2]

angus... "no impact whatsoever" is a lot different than  "massive" or "substantial"  or any of the other highly "scientific" terms the algore acolytes of the man made global warming religion use.

I think "minor" would be a good middle ground... I don't see any need for drastic solutions (that may do grave harm in themselves) for such a minor "problem".

In fact.. compared to many things that we can do something about..  I don't see it as worth doing anything about that takes resources to do.

lazs

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
(Even visible with the naked eye from where I live and in the 20 years I lived here).  

Geez Angus......... I don`t believe anyone who has lived in any area, of any notable ,  population over a few years,  can truthfully say that that see no change in their surroundings and change in the countryside in general. Earth has been changing since the beginning of recorded history. I see no reason why your area would be expected to be any different.
There is evidence of many great changes in the earth and it`s inhabitants.
Did you think the ice was never going to expand or retract in your area or what?

[ravells]

Good thing you're not a polar bear, Jackal. Their habitat is dying out pretty fast and it's been good for as long as polar bears have been around which must be what...hundreds of thousands of years.

The whole debate about global warming actually makes me think why cities like Mohinja Dharo and Harappa died out...they were probably saying the same thing.

What truly amazes me is that the rationality that was fought for so hard during the enlightenment and met its zenith with the founding fathers of the US has now been reduced to a superpower in which most people believe in some sort of divine being who will 'guide them', in which certain ex presidents make decisions based on their wives astrologer's decisions and it lookes like the good fight on the Scopes trial is going to be reversed because most of the people there don't even believe in evolution to the extent that they want 'intelligent design' (for which read creationism) to be part of the school curriculum. Such a shame. The march of unreason goes strong.

Ravs

[lukster]

Originally posted by ravells
Good thing you're not a polar bear, Jackal. Their habitat is dying out pretty fast and it's been good for as long as polar bears have been around which must be what...hundreds of thousands of years.

The whole debate about global warming actually makes me think why cities like Mohinja Dharo and Harappa died out...they were probably saying the same thing.

What truly amazes me is that the rationality that was fought for so hard during the enlightenment and met its zenith with the founding fathers of the US has now been reduced to a superpower in which most people believe in some sort of divine being who will 'guide them', in which certain ex presidents make decisions based on their wives astrologer's decisions and it lookes like the good fight on the Scopes trial is going to be reversed because most of the people there don't even believe in evolution to the extent that they want 'intelligent design' (for which read creationism) to be part of the school curriculum. Such a shame. The march of unreason goes strong.

Ravs

Perhaps you intended no slight towards Ronald Reagan but your comment seems to dismiss out of hand the man most responsible for the demise of an empire which would have enslaved the world had it stood unopposed. Reagan was not without his faults but his steadfast rejection of detente probably freed more people than anything else in the last thousand years.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by ravells
Good thing you're not a polar bear, Jackal. Their habitat is dying out pretty fast and it's been good for as long as polar bears have been around which must be what...hundreds of thousands of years.

The whole debate about global warming actually makes me think why cities like Mohinja Dharo and Harappa died out...they were probably saying the same thing.

What truly amazes me is that the rationality that was fought for so hard during the enlightenment and met its zenith with the founding fathers of the US has now been reduced to a superpower in which most people believe in some sort of divine being who will 'guide them', in which certain ex presidents make decisions based on their wives astrologer's decisions and it lookes like the good fight on the Scopes trial is going to be reversed because most of the people there don't even believe in evolution to the extent that they want 'intelligent design' (for which read creationism) to be part of the school curriculum. Such a shame. The march of unreason goes strong.

Ravs

Still bitter about being booted out of the colonies i see.


Bronk

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by ravells
Good thing you're not a polar bear, Jackal. Their habitat is dying out pretty fast and it's been good for as long as polar bears have been around which must be what...hundreds of thousands of years.

Ravs

I haven`t seen a T-Rex around lately either . I`m blaming Al Bore for not warning us soon enough.

The earth changes. Always has. Always will.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Jackal1
I haven`t seen a T-Rex around lately either . I`m blaming Al Bore for not warning us soon enough.

The earth changes. Always has. Always will.

Al Bore was too busy counting HIS oil money.



Brnk

[mietla]

Don't forget the tobacco (which killed his sister).

Originally posted by Al Gore
‘I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I’ve put it in the plant beds and transferred it. I’ve hoed it. I’ve dug it. I’ve sprayed it, I’ve chopped it, I’ve shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it.’

Originally posted by Al Gore
‘Tomorrow morning, another thirteen-year-old girl will start smoking. I love her, too. Three thousand young people in America will start smoking tomorrow. One thousand of them will die a death not unlike my sister’s, and that is why, until I draw my last breath, I will pour my heart and soul into the cause of protecting our children from the dangers of smoking.”

He would not be a lying hypocrite living in a 50,000 sqf. mansion, traveling all over the world in private jets, and then asking me to sell my SUV.

I'll do it as soon as Al Gore starts riding a bus.

[john9001]

polar bears eat baby seals, shoot the polar bears, save the seals.

[lazs2]

so polar bears are only a few hundred years old?    They must be since they can't stand the heat and it sure as hell has been a lot hotter in the past.

It doesn't matter what we do about our "contribution" to global warming or cooling.. it only matters what the sun and nature do.   Our effect is one man peeing in the ocean.

The reason you can't get any hard numbers from algore and the other "scientists" is because they don't have a clue.   They desperately attached their whole theory onto Co2... worse.. man made C02 and now.. they are left with pretty much nothing as the theory erodes...  

The big push is to do something right now so that when the natural global cooling starts in a few years they can say that all the resources wasted and human missery and even deaths  caused by their restrictions..  so that they can say... "see... it was tough and we had to sacrafice but... we are winning the war on man made global warming"

Once the terminally stupid die off or forget... in say 30 years... they will try the same old scam on us about "man made global cooling"

As ravels points out... the stupid marches on strong.... it is in our schools and our media..

I ask you...

What could be more stupid than to choose algore and the UN for your prophet and religion?

lazs

[FastFwd]

Originally posted by Bronk
Still bitter about being booted out of the colonies i see.

????

1. I don't think Ravells was around in 1776.
2. I don't think he's British.